what is the lowest level of wrongdoing - that you could never tolerate?

cameragirl21 wrote: Simply put, what is the lowest level of wrongdoing that you could never tolerate under any circumstances?
I know this may be a tough question so let me clarify--as I said in another thread, I do have sympathy for debtors...for instance, I had a good friend who had about 10k in credit card debt and then her father was suddenly killed in a car crash so she reacted by racking up another 10k of credit card debt and then intended to file for bankruptcy because she had no way of paying off the debt. While I agree she made bad decisions, I would not say that I have zero sympathy for her.
Is there any wrongdoing you could NEVER tolerate or have sympathy for under any circumstances?
If so, list the LOWEST level of wrongdoing you could never tolerate, meaning, the least serious "crime" that you could never forgive under any circumstances.
Mine is DUI...I have zero sympathy for anyone caught driving drunk and think they should be punished to the maximum allowed by law, no exceptions. And that includes if it happened to my best friend, this is something I have zero tolerance for, period.
Just so there is no ambiguity on what I'm asking, I will add this--I think it's wrong to steal but I can envision circumstances where I could forgive a thief...I think it's wrong to cheat on one's spouse but I can envision circumstances where that too could be forgivable imo, etc, but driving drunk is one thing I could never find any tolerance for.
Another one is cruelty to animals but obviously that is a moral issue for me and I'm sure no one is surprised that I have no tolerance for that.
What about you, what is the lowest level of wrongdoing that you could never find any forgiveness or acceptance for?

luvmykids replied: Harming a child. Phsyically, sexually, however.

cameragirl21 replied:
but what if that child was a bully or a psycho and was beating up on another child and the only way to separate them may require you to harm him/her in some way, at least to restrain the child?
Think back to the movie, "The Good Son"...if you've seen it....
Btw, I'm not trying to argue or whatever, but this is a philosophical question...I found myself wondering if there could always be a circumstance where one would have to engage in serious wrongdoing in order to do the right thing, if that makes sense....

A&A'smommy replied:
It doesn't matter what a child does harming them in order to "fix" them is ridiculous!!! And in a LOT of situations bullies are children that are acting out because of something being "wrong" at home. There is a VERY clear line between spanking and abuse

cameragirl21 replied:
I don't mean harming them in order to fix them and I am against spanking, what I mean is, what if you had to separate a bully from another kid and you had to struggle to separate them and in the struggle, you accidentally twisted the bully's arm or whatever...you did what you had to do to remove the bully from the other kid and the bully got hurt in the process...would you still think it's wrong?

A&A'smommy replied:
If two kids are fighting then if you need to squeeze a kids arm to pull him off of another then I don't see anything wrong with it accident or not.

Why are you against spanking?

cameragirl21 replied: I'm just not a fan of spanking...Idk if it's fair to say I am against spanking because I can conceive of circumstances where it may be appropriate but for the most part, I am not a fan. My dad was quick to spank and all it taught me was to run faster than my dad...I don't recall learning any profound lessons from it, though.

The reason I ask this question is because it really is a difficult and very thought provoking question. For instance, I am totally against killing animals, I don't think I could even kill a rabid dog BUT when my childhood dog could no longer get up and had to be fed and cleaned up after all in one spot, unable to move around, my parents made the decision to put him to sleep...he was old and it was clear he wasn't getting any better. Much as it hurt me, I wouldn't say it was the wrong decision so I suppose there IS a circumstance where I could conceive of not only killing an animal but my own pet that I absolutely adored. On the surface it seems like an easy question but it really isn't, kwim?

My2Beauties replied: Hard question Jen. I would be inclined to say murder, but I can think of circumstances where I'd see murder being your only option if for instance it was in self-defense someone was trying to kill me or hurt/kill my children or a loved one, I'd do whatever it took to stay alive and keep my family alive...so I can't say murder. Sexual abuse towards a child is definitely a good one, there is never any circumstance where I can see a "but if" coming in to play there. Rape is another one (actual brutal rape, not necessarily statutory rape because if a boy is 18 and his girlfriend is 16 and was willing to have sex I don't call that "brutal rape" it's wrong but the girl was a willing participant), I can't ever see rape being ok under any circumstance. Drunk driving....ok I can see where you know it's wrong when/if anyone does it but you're not "intentionally" setting out to harm anyone although in the process of driving drunk you are taking the risk of hurting someone or taking their life or your own life. I can't sit here and say I wouldn't forgive a loved one for driving drunk and hurting someone, I would say yes they should suffer the consequences but I wouldn't stop loving them because they made an awful horrible mistake. Some people can be perfectly sober after a couple of drinks but per the law they are legally drunk. My uncle is an alcoholic with several DUI's under his belt, 2 out of the 3 DUI's have been because he was involved in an accident that was the other person's fault but they smell the alcohol on his breath. He passed the roadside sobriety test but blew over the legal limit simply because of his BAC but really....he was completely functional. He has a very high tolerance for alcohol because well he's an alcoholic. So I'm inclined to not go with driving drunk. Rape and child molestation of any kind is unforgiveable in my opinion.

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my2monkeyboys replied: Raping anyone, sexually abusing a child, outright physical/mental abuse to a child.

luvmykids replied:
I'm talking sex crimes and/or abuse of children, not situations where the intent is good.

jcc64 replied: Intentionally harming children.
Conducting an unjustifiable war involving the slaughter of innocents.
Hate crimes.

Kentuckychick replied: pedophilia.