loveydad
iluvmysweetiepies wrote: Did you unregister? What's going on? 
TLCDad replied: No. his account has been removed to due to repeated violations of our TOS.
MommyToAshley replied: Some of you have asked what TOS means....
TOS= Terms of Service
Here's a link to ours: Terms of Service
nancydrew replied: Why was my post asking Loveydad where he was deleted?
kimberley replied:
he cannot respond to you anyways since he is no longer a member here and this post should answer your question.
nancydrew replied: Oh, ok. Thank you.
JessC replied: I dont get it? He responded to my post about my anniversary someone posted for me...? I think i am confused   LOL
MichaelsMommy replied: Wow. interesting.
TLCDad replied: Since there is alot of questions about this... here is more info copied from another thread:
Evidence brought to our attention proved to be beyond a doub't that he was providing fraudulent information/photography which is strictly forbidden in our TOS (term of use/service). Due to this and other violations we had no choice but to remove all known accounts.
AshleyRose replied: that is really scary... i can't believe that...  what was he trying to do by posting here, then? i hope people didnt get too close to him.. that is soo scary.. 
MichaelsMommy replied: I just can't understand why someone would do that.
Was like everything he said a fake then?
Was this some kind of chester?
CCTandME replied: This happened w/ him on another board. It's better left forgotten.
Josie83 replied: Well I'm sorry but I for one can't just forget it . . . it has been going round and round in my head all day and has upset me! Seriously, so confused. I don't understand what was fraudulent, but I know that it isn't good. I've been very supportive of him and was close to him, but now maybe I'm going to have a rethink. I can't turn my back on this if TLCDad and M2A say that they have evidence beyond a doubt. But i do think we al need to move on and dispense with the drama  xx
MichaelsMommy replied: I don' t get it? Whats the hush for? If this is something that happened
its best that people know so they can be on the look out for more
people like this, right?
mammag replied: I have to admit this is not surprising to me in the least. I was suspicious for some time. (I also wonder if anything he said was real? Was there ever a Tavia, Henry, Sawyer? ETC.)
It should serve as a reminder to us all that, though we form these internet "friendships", we really don't know most of the people on here and should be careful about information we give out and who we become close to. If you think about the information we give out in posts like our full names, where we live, etc, it's kind of scarey. Not that I think he, in particular, was trying to get information to harm anyone here but one never knows. Maybe we need to start following the advice we give our kids about posting....
Boys r us replied: What's there really to be said, I mean it's not my place to really answer this since I don't have any info on it except what you guys have..but TLC dad stated he'd fraudulently used info and photos...sounds like maybe some or all of those 10 kids aren't his..therefore everything he ever said here was a lie..but that's purely my speculation!
MichaelsMommy replied: Well, I post on a few forums (not the p.com some have migrated from) -
I'm just wanting to know for the sake of my other 'Forum Families' you know?
If this guy shows up there, and he may as he does not have a place to post now..
MommyToAshley replied: We really don't know how much of what he said was true or not. One of the fraudulent pictures was the U/S picture he used... it was the exact picture used deep within a well-known web site. He also was warned for his rude comments to members here, and both of those violations resulted in his being banned from the web site. (altough one or the other would have been sufficient evidence, they just happened at the same time)
I have to agree with mammag, and TLCDad also posted a message about this, that we all should be careful about giving our personal contact information to someone we don't really know. I would like to believe that everyone here is good-hearted and honest, but you never really know.
AshleyRose replied: http://www.parents.com/community/boards/th...ssageID=1948231
maybe this will help explain a few things to ppl... scary and they knew about him being over here doing the same thing
Kaitlin'smom replied: its all very sad, and deeply disturbing
JessC replied: Yes I understand more on this issue, but was he a fake? And was those kids real? Or were they someone else's?
I guess we will never know.
TLCDad replied: Please note this website is well monitored and moderated.
No matter where you go on the internet, never give out any personal information, including last names. Always stay on a first name basis. Obviously you will be making friends and will get close... just stick with your gut feeling and ask others.
If any forum site ever asks you for personal information, then you probably should not sign up. There is no reason they would need that, your email address is all they need.
gr33n3y3z replied: Thats why I never put pics up of my kids
Except my son and he can defend himself and he is 18
But my girls never would I put up pics on the net bc the pics can be used for so many things on the net and I want my girls to be protected and the net wont protect them I have to.
So a lesson to be learned for everyone here.
Josie83 replied: Thanks again TLC dad and M2A. Also mammag you realy made me think! I guess no more pictures of Cassie for a while, i don't want to get into any messes. Jason doesn't really like me putting them up anyway, so I think maybe we'll do without it for a while. It is quite a public forum and so anyone could be looking. I think maybe we all just need to have a think and not get too relaxed with everything. I had never really thought about the fact that we all give out last names and locations and everything . .. I'll definitely be more guarded in future. Its sad that we have to be like this, but its better safe than srry! xx
TLCDad replied: I did not mean for people to get scared here... which is one reason I did not go into details.
Please note even if you get your children's picture taken at a picture place, they may display the pictures on their business's website to show their work... even though it is your child photo they own the copyright and are allowed to do that. This is something I personally do not agree with. Some will show respect and ask for your permission but legally they do not need to.
DVFlyer replied: That's a LOT of work keeping up that facade. Weird that someone would spend so much time doing something like that. There's no personal gain other than the satisfaction of doing it. Sad.
I hope this doesn't paint a bad light on the real dads here.
AshleyRose replied:
TLCdad, you want people to be scared because this is reality. THis is a HUGE eye opener for me and im sure for a lot of other members and it is sad that it had to happen this way but it is well needed. THe internet is NOT safe and I think we tend to forget that sometimes...
either way, here is another link to a less flaming thread and it goes into more detail about what happened over there... http://www.parentsmagazine.com/community/b...tart=0&tstart=0
in a world like this there are times when you should be scared.. especially when it comes to protecting your families.. the most important thing to everyone of us...
JessC replied: Thanks TLC and M2A. Thanks for the advice. I dont have any kids myself, but in the future I guess I will know better to display pictures. I hope that others learn as well.
ammommy replied:
Not a chance! You guys are great and it's wonderful having testosterone on board 
gr33n3y3z replied:
Not a chance
MommyToAshley replied:
This just goes to show that things do get distorted, and you never really know what to believe. In this thread, they say that they told us that they gave us proof about loveydad but we didn't listen. This is not true. They did come over here with allegations, but never any proof. We did ask the people that made these allegations on loveydad for proof, and they couldn't provide any concrete proof. And, there are accusations like this all the time... people who fought with each other on another board, and then look for a new home and the others follow them here. This has happened to others here... people came here and made allegations about another member that we KNOW beyond a doubt were not true. This person is really liked by all here, what if we had just kicked her? So, when someone comes here with no proof.... Who do you believe? We give people the benefit of the doubt until they either do something to get banned or we are provided the proof. Kind of like, innocent before proven guilty. We didn't try to hide anything by removing all the posts here that were here for no other reason than to flame... we just have a policy against flaming people in the forums. Some other boards dont have this policy, and that is up to them how they want to moderate. But, they usually have lots of fighting and drama on thier boards. We prefer to concentrate on more positive aspects .... I hope you all understand the difference.
ETA: I really hope we can get back to focusing on the positive aspects again. I am ready to get on and forget about all this.
Kirstenmumof3 replied: I just wanted to say something, I know all of you are scared, but might I remind all of you that we went through this same thing last year when a suspected child pornographer was posting on the site. We were all scared to post pictures of our children, scared to get close to people and scared to give out personal information. But we are a very close community and we all got through that and we will all get through this. It is very sad that he decieved so many people and had so many people feeling sorry for him. I guess I was lucky, I haven't been around much lately so I never got close to him. But for all of you that have been hurt by this, please don't take it personally against the board and remember that we will all be here for you, to help you get through this! 
Boys r us replied: I'll fess up, I'm the one who started the thread at p.com asking what happened there. After several people discussed their feelings with me and agreed that we should find out exactly WHAT happened over there. I never bought his story from the beginning but once he started making rude comments to me in my threads and then one thing in particular he said to me in a PM he sent me saying how he would read about my husband and I "being together" in P & I and it would make him jealous becaus ehe was so lonely for that...uhh that's when I stopped posting here for the most part..I didn't feel comfortable sharing anything about my family anymore with him around. That is when I went fishing over there as "just a girl".
I'm so glad he's gone and personally I think it's very healthy for us to all be aware of what happened with him and be able to talk openly about it instead of it just being swept under the rug and forgotten!
AshleyRose replied:
their site is very drama filled and they love to flame, it seems as opposed to this board which is very laid back and totally opposite of theirs. i agree with the way you handled things. if they tried to tell us, they did it in a very immature manner, far from serious, from what i read in that thread.
AshleyRose replied:
I totally agree with your decision to go over there and find out what went on.. loveydad was VERY paranoid about them... which is a sign right there. i would have looked over there if i had more time..
thanks for looking out for us when you became concerned and tried to find out what happened...
ITA with everything you did and said 
GavinsMommy replied: I am really torn about this. I talked to Vig the other night right before he lost his membership. He was upset about everything going on and I really believed him. I figured that people were just weary of him bc he's a man posting on boards saying he has 8 children. I really gave him the benefit of the doubt.
But if that u/s picture is fake, then there's no hassle in whether he's been truthful with everything or not. I don't know if this means everything he said is untrue or just some. I'm so confused...
But I do know that I'm highly upset and worried now. I hope I never gave out any information and I'm pretty sure I didn't but I could have thrown something around and not realized it. I'm really upset that he's seen pictures of Gavin too because if all of this is valid, then God knows what is happening w/ all of our babies pictures. And in one of them Gavin's little bum is showing. 
It's just so upsetting w/ things like this happening lately. This is exactly why we keep a gun in our home bc so many things are happening lately. 
5littleladies replied:
Thank you for bringing this up Kirsten because I was thinking the same thing. When this happened last year everyone freaked out and pulled all their pictures and grew very suspicious for awhile and I think that's sad. I think it's terrible that people have been taken advantage of and made to believe things that weren't true but please everyone-Don't freak out! It pays to be cautious, in every situation, but don't react in fear. I will continue to post as usual AND post pictures of my family on occassion-I'm just careful to choose ones I'm comfortable having out there. The people here are like family to me and I will not let some imposter scare me into running for the hills.
CCTandME replied: I don't get into drama. Not at p.com or here(not there is any here). I thought it was kinda strange that Tracey /Tracy was seplled one way on his posts and the other on her picture. In the few posts I asked about kid stuff carseats, chairs, etc. He always had them Or if someone else mentioned a sight, he had been there and purchased from that sight. He was quick to follow. I remember 1 over at p.com was he said Henry's name was tattooed on on his back. With the mn. UNfortunately, he gave a different mn for henry in a previous post. Defended himself saying it was an honest mistake. I read some stuff over there, but NEVER got involved. Just not worth it. He did claim to be gay over there like they say and would say some kids were his partners and some were from 1 night stands that he and his BF had w/ women when drunk. Twisted stuff!! I'm sure he is reading this as we speak and moving onto his next board.
MommyToAshley replied:
This is true... Ashley's Christmas photos were all over the photography studio's web site and I had no idea until I went to book her for a session for Easter. That's when the person scheduling the session said, "Oh yeah, I recognize that cutie, she is on our web site!" I am careful what kind of pictures I post, but I feel comfortable posting pictures. I remember the panic we had last year too, being careful just comes with an online community. But, if you think about it, do you really know your neighbors or the people in the park?
Josie83 replied: Nichole, I guessed it ws you But like Ashley says, thank you. And Lauren, I am in the same boat as you. I was sticking up for him, but then I didn't know all the facts. I've confronted him about it on hsi website but he's not replied to me. I just don't undestand how it all got so out of hand. I never even though about the diferent carpets and hthe fact that the children are never picture together etc. Very strange, but there we go. i think Nic's right, we should be able to talk about it and it should all be in the open, because we are all worrying about it and thinking about it. And like Jen and Kirsten have said, we will get through this! xx
MichaelsMommy replied: Well, if anyone has IP info to share so I can black list him from my
other sites before he arrives, it would be appreciated.
Personally, I'm not going to stop sharing pics. My site where I keep
my pictures is for my family all over the US to see. None of my
IM's or email address give personal information enough for anyone
to do anything with. Worst case, someone snags the pics from my
site - he's not naked in any of them.. so I don't know - its sad but
its harmless in reality to me and my family. Don't get me wrong,
I think this guy is totally sick - but I'm not going to let him scare
me to a point where I drop one of my favorite hobbies - sharing
pictures and stories about my kids with other parents. Just a big
eye opener to be careful, but I'm not going to crawl into a shell
because of it either.
My2Beauties replied:
Thank you Nichole! I admit I was leary of him for some time now, especially all of his please feel sorry for me posts! I didn't believe his story one bit!I posted to him because I trust the moderators here and was thinking maybe I am the one being prejudgmental and I need to give this man the benefit of the doubt! I even remember saying something to Brianne in a PM that I thought he wasn't totally truthful all the time, I also thought his posts were weird! And when he got extremely paranoid about other members on the other boards coming over here, I really became doubtful of him! I found it hard to believe that he just had twins with one woman, then another woman was already pregnant, and then BAM they were pregnant and that he met all this illegitimate mothers that left him and their children! Sorry I just am really bothered by this!
moped replied: Ummmmmmmm, well I guess I would like to ask if I should be deleting my siggy and my avator....I am a bit worried and think that Jack is most important??? Any thoughts?????
AshleyRose replied:
I wouldn't necessarily delete pictures, just keep personal info out of the reach of anyone and be careful who you tell things to...
the worst that can happen is someone uses jacks pic as their own... that is still scary though..
CCTandME replied: Makes you wonder where those pictures really came from. Did he go to a families website and copy there pictures of their kids at different stages. That way Tracey would always be a Tracey, Kelton would always be Kelton and so on. Creepy!!
Makes me want to delete any and all pics I have on websites.
MichaelsMommy replied: Well is your last name on it, or in your nickname anywhere?
Do you leave any way for someone to look you up or locate you?
Otherwise it is a picture. Sad for someone to take and claim -
unusual I'd say too.. but I don't think putting you or baby in
any danger.
I think my baby is that important too, but can't see what danger
can come from a pic really?
GavinsMommy replied: Well I admit I may be a little dramatic at times and go off on rants about my life, but I am 100% real and would go to any measure for any of you guys on here and any other board to make you feel safe and comfortable bc I know how freaky it is out there...I am just without words...
As for the kids never being in pics together, that is a very good point that I never thought of. Scary....
moped replied: I just feel sick about this - I try not to be too dramatic (cause Jack takes care of that LOL) but htis is just plain wierd.........I need to think on this. I just feel like he screwed us and I feel sad.
Lollie replied: This is scary..who do you trust???
This is one reason why I put passwords on my babies albums..a similar incident happened to me before where someone from another site used one of Bri's pics to inroduce her new baby!!! I just wrote a PM to her and told her that I know the truth and that was the end of that...hopefully.
Scary...
DVFlyer replied: This sounds like a "lack of closure" issue. We will never know loveydad's true intentions, reasons, actions, etc. Does it really matter? To me? No. To you? Maybe. But you will never know the truth since I doubt he (or she) will be making a (trusted) public statement any time soon.
I post pictures knowing anyone, anywhere can copy them off this site. Ask Tanner's mom about when I resized the pic that she posted. It was too big, so I copied it to my computer and resized it for her. Easy. Anyone could do it with almost any picture.
Sure, someone could copy them and use them for their own sick needs. But to be honest, it doesn't bother me all that much. I would be lying, of course, if I said it didn't bother me at all. But I think that stems from the lack of control more than anything else.
Also, with the exceptions of certain things I'm not privy too, I didn't see any real "harm" he/ she caused. Sure he/ she lied, told some stories, used other people's pictures (maybe). But he/ she only used it to complete the facade.... v.s. asking for money, etc. Over here, he's basically guilty of earning the trust and I-friendship of some of the members, that's about all. We feel bad and taken advantage of, but there was no real "damage" caused.... except to our egos. We thought he/ she was real. We were wrong. It's most likely some sick kid having his/ her version of fun... probably a cry for help in some way... but as I said above, we'll probably never really know.
This, too, shall pass. On to better things..........
mom89 replied: Hmm well all I have to say is I'm glad the mods finally figured it out..its a shame that (once again) a community was duped-yet again.
I mostly post at p.com,but I didn't really know the whole story-just that he's a liar and a fake.
Peace!!!!
mammag replied: I'm not necessarily going to stop posting pics. I do so, however, knowing that they could be used by anyone. I did delete my tickers since they have birthdays and could be used by someone to try to convince the kids that they know them and I sent them or something like that. I may be a little over paranoid right now and might loosen up but for now it's making me feel better.
I'll just take a new pic for my sig without dates.
My2Beauties replied: I know that using pics doesn't necessarily harm anyone, but when you think of those child pornography sites and then you think about your child's face being used on them or anyhting it gets really scary! I will continue to post pics, but I will be more choosey in the pics that I post from now on. This is all really scary!
MichaelsMommy replied: I personally still question the motive.
Why would someone do that? The only
thing that comes to mind is a sex offender
honestly - I can't think of any other reason
someone would put that much time and effort
into making up a life and children to share
on here. That's what scares me the most.
But like DVFlyer said, we'll never really know.
I still would like to have some IP or email
address info so I can alert the other admins
of the sites I post on. He's hit 2 so far that
we know of - whos to say he wont go for more?
I'm sure by this time he may wise up and pick
a new name, and we'd never know until too
late.
mckayleesmom replied: ok...I was a Vig supporter also...up until today when I read that Brooklyns ultrasound pic isn't his. When I first came back after being gone a couple months..he was here and I always wondered how he had custody of soo many kids from different moms. One day me, him and Ivy were talking in Yahoo chat and I asked him where he was meeting all these woman that were so willing to give up their babies like that. He said he met alot of them in his bad days as a drug user and so was he...Ok....Then I pmed him and told him that I didn't mean to offend him, but how many of the kids were his and how many mothers...
Henry.......his
Little boy who died.....his
Kenton and Vincent.....I can't remember what he said about them
Tracey....him and his partner had a surrogate using his partners sperm
Nicki....has the same surrogate as Tracey...but they used his sperm this time
Clara and Carter...he cheated on his partner with her...she cheated on him and got pregnant...then him and his partner took the kids from her and threatened to turn her in for drugs if they didn't let him have the kids
Brooklyn....origionally she was Tav and her boyfriends...then when he hooked up with tav he told me and Ivy that they had been fulling around all along and that Brooklyn was 100% his......
Also...I don't know if anyone remembers someone asking a question about Twins and Vig saying that He had gotten 2 woman pregnant with a set of twins, but I remembere him emailing me saying Carter and Clara weren't biologically his....
I just remembered this today. Also, someone mentioned that when he came to parent.com he bragged about his "Adopted" 8 kids.
I really wanted to believe him...I feel bad cause I don't anymore....but Im starting to recall all these discrepencies now.
mckayleesmom replied: Also....Whenever we would chat on IM he would always try to convince me that some of you guys were frauds and trolls also. I never believed him of course. This is exactly what I told him
I do not like to think that people are trolls or frauds and I don't like outing them as so. As long as they are not hurting anyone or causing problems then what harm is it. I don't think that anyone should be allowed to out a troll or fraud on a bored and I think you should be kicked off if you do. You should contact a mod and tell them and let them handle it.
He would get sooo irritated when I didn't believe him and try and try to convince me otherwise. I don't understand why he would do that when he hated when people tried to convince us that he was a fruad. He was a hipocrit.
mckayleesmom replied: Ok...does anyone remember if Vig actually said that the picture in his Avatar was actually Brooklyn?...I can't remember. The reason I ask is because Vig invited me and Josie to a site he set up and Josie asked him to tell us the truth about himself and the avatar. I backed her in her post wanting the truth also..he just snapped in the post saying that basically he never claimed it was Brooklyn, but that it was just a picture he used for his avatar.....
5littleladies replied:
His title for a long time under the picture was "Baby Brooklyn". I would say that is him claiming it was her.
ETA: He changed it when he said the dr. said she might be a boy.
gr33n3y3z replied: well to tell you the truth saw it coming and I was like hmmm
Because I like said I refuse to get caught up in the BS
I will come here and check things out.
What goes on here stays here and what goes on at the other board stays there
I will not bash anyone here or there and I dont want to see it done by anyones esle either I feel like everyone should just grow the heck up and act like adults with out trying to score a damn brownie point.
Now with this said I will post this on the other board also.
Josie83 replied: With all due respect it is very easy to say this after the event. We had no real reason to disbelieve this person until it became too late. Vig hadbeen here for a long time and people were obviously going to be defensive if someone came on here and outrightly attacked him. I think we should all just put it down as a learning experience! xx
kimberley replied: i understand the anger and frustration a lot of you may feel because of this situation, but it does no good to point fingers and call names at this point. M2A has made it clear that we do not ban people based on hearsay nor do we allow these matters to be aired in the public forums. that is what admin and the mods are for. it creates a negative atmosphere which is not what Parenting Club is about. i am going to close this topic and hope that we can all try to heal from this and start posting about our kids again. thanks.
Kimberley
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