contraversial topic!-abortion.. - :)

kel wrote: ok, let me liven things up a bit here..
do you believe in abortion?.
if so, why?
if not,why not?

kel replied: my answer to the question is,
yes, i believe in abortion.although it may not be MY choice ,i do believe that the choice should be there..
women who are not ready for children should be able to have an abortion.
it should be a decision that they make for themselves and i feel like, societies "judgement" and condemnation of abortion is nothing compared to the life long guilt and self torment that goes along with having an abortion..
if i was raped and fell preg. i would never have the child...
and in south africa there are so many abandoned babies(often hiv positive) that will never know how it s to be loved.if there mothers had made the "abort" decision those little lives would never have to suffer unnessesarily..

Boys r us replied: I'm not pro-abortion...but I am pro-choice.

MomToMany replied: Abortion is murder in my eyes. I believe that life begins at conception.

Josie83 replied: I have to say that i agree with Mollie, although only for myself. I don't think I have any right to judge anyone else's life choices, but in my belief abortion is murder, and the only one who should deicde whther a human life continues or not is God . . . just my thoughts. I would never condemn anyone for aborting their child, but would never ever do it myself. I think nichole's right, is up to every individual xx

amynicole21 replied:
I agree

Maddie&EthansMom replied:

Well said. ITA!

Littlejojames replied: I think that everyone has a choice and that they should do what is best for them.

A friend of mine has had an abortion and i support her 100% as she and her partner both agree that now is not the best time for them to bring a child into the world as they are both just finding there feet together.

Dont get me wrong i do get a little upset when you hear of people who have had numerous abortions and they say they dont want kids but they dont even use protection.

A&A'smommy replied: I am also pro-life....I believe that abortion is murder...although I don't judge I still believe it is wrong.

5littleladies replied: I am also pro-life. ITA with Mollie that life begins at conception.

kimberley replied: i am with Mollie on this one too. i have always been pro-life but after knowing a girl who had several abortions and morning after pills, i was even more convinced of my position on the subject. there are far too many childless families out there who would give a child a loving home. abortion is NOT a method of birth control. if you are old enough to make a baby, then you are old enough to be responsible and carry that baby for someone else to love if you can't.

FYI.. the girl's excuse for aborting is that she is afraid of getting fat. she is 27yo and married and could afford it but keeps killing these innocent babies. and she won't take the pill because it makes her bloated. it just sickens me.

Josie83 replied:
Shocked and speechless Kimberley!! Why doesn't she get sterilised?!?!

kit_kats_mom replied: I am pro-choice. After being raped at 14, a resulting pregnancy and abortion, I would hate to have had to carry that child and raise it. My life would have been way worse and I would have been a drain on the system. I think that in some cases, it is for the best. Many people (including myself at 14) are totally unfit to be parents.

I don't agree with abortion as a method of birth control though. That makes me ill. Actually it makes me ill anyway but I think we do need the choice.

kimberley replied:
i wish she would. unfortunately what she is doing is perfectly legal and being temporarily pg gives her loads of attention from her DH . the girl really makes me ill. i haven't talked to her in years. she had 2 abortions before i met her, 2 while i was friends with her. i even went with her to the last one even though i don't believe in it and felt i was a party to murder. but felt my duty as a friend should supercede those feelings.. dumb me. she moved out of the country and phoned to tell me she had just taken the MA pill for the 3rd time since she had left and i washed my hands of her then for that reason and others.

ctymom replied: I am pro-choice because there are times where a woman needs to make a decision because of circumstances. ie kit_kats_mom's experience (i'm sorry to hear that happened to you). But I certainly do NOT agree with it being used as a form of birth control. That is hideous and wrong. Why not use birth control etc?

Pamela

kit_kats_mom replied:
That reminds me of a political cartoon that I saw way back when George Bush was president. He was kicking a baby out of his way (he was going up the steps to the white house) who was holding up a sign saying "unwanted pregnancy, please take me in and support me".

I can't believe that cartoon has stuck with me all these years.

mummy2girls replied: I am pro-choice. I am agaisnt women whont to have abortions as a form of birth control. But if it comes to rape or something medical then im not agaisnt it.

My sister had 1 abortion when she was 16 as a form of birth control. And convinced her friend that was single to have an abortion...then she tried convincing me to abort jenna when i was preggo. She said what happened was an accident shelly so get rid of it....OMG!!!!!!!!

kit_kats_mom replied:
I'm sooooo over it. Honestly, I think it made me a stronger woman. I'd never wish it on anyone but I think it made me a more compassionate, understanding person. I would never, ever, ever try to force my beliefs on anyone else. That's why I think it's important that the choice is available.

I also do not believe in formula feeding but if the government tried to make formula feeding illegal, it would result in a huge uproar. It's all about personal choices and situations.

megsmommie replied: I, too was raped at 13, and became pregnant, I decided to have an abortion because of the circumstances, surrounding the conception, an dlets face it- My age.
So, I do believe in women's choice, however I do believe some women abuse it. JMHO.

jcc64 replied: Nothing new to add here. While some people clearly abuse the freedom, that is no reason to render it unavailable to all. Imo, it is an unfortunate necessity. If it is an immoral choice, as many believe it is, then that judgement is between the individual and her god or conscience, NOT the gov't.
Kit Kat's mom- that cartoon you mentioned more or less sums up my opinion in a nutshell. The anti choice people need to put their $$$ where their mouth is. Who exactly is going to support all these unwanted children should abortion be made illegal? Very often, the people who are against abortion are the same ones who don't support sex education, condom distribution, AIDS education, or social services for the poor. You can't have it both ways.

TeagansMom609 replied: I am pro-choice 100%. Like a few others said, it is abused by some women and I DO think that is wrong. I also think its wrong to have a late abortion. But their are ALOT of instances where birth control fails and its not the womens fault. (broken condom etc.) If a woman protects herself and it doesnt work she should have the baby when she was using birth control in the first place because she didnt want a child at that time in her life? The funny part is 98% of the people outside of clincs protesting are men!

TeagansMom609 replied:
Very good point! I think this country would be more of a mess then it already is if abortions were illegal. There would be WAY too many unwanted, abused, homeless children. Not to add a billion times more people on welfare. Then the pro-life people would be complaining about all the taxes they pay for people on welfare.

momof2girls replied:
I think the same way.

MommyToAshley replied: When I saw this topic, I was almost afraid to click on it. But, I should have known that the people here are adults can have open discussions about controversial issues without attacking one another.

It is definately a moral issue... there are so many better choices that can be made, such as birth control. And, adoption. What a blessing it would be for the women who desperately want to be Moms but can't have children.

But, then there are special circumstances such as rape, or babies with conditions that will survive only long enough to suffer. Do you make these abortions legal? But, where do you draw the line... what is ok and what is not ok?

With all that being said, I am pro-life. But, there are always special circumstances... I try not to judge others unless I have walked in their shoes.

loveydad replied:
To tell the truth, in my eyes, abortion is just hacking out.

So you get raped. Right , I know, I can't get pregnant so its nothing that i can really talk about, but bad things happen to people! Cancer happens! Sometimes it takes YEARS to get through that. I believe ieven if you are raped, there's a live baby inside you.

I don't say fetus. I say baby. From the time that thing has a heartbeat, in my eyes, its a baby.

I feel strongly about this. There were times in my life i would have KILLED to have a baby. I know people who CAN'T have kids and want to so bad! how fair is it that just because some irresponbile person gets pregnant (obviously not the case when they're raped) they can hack out when someone may want a baby so badly?

Also, as for rape justifies abortion...why does baby Jill, who's father raped her mother, get killed, while baby Jack, who's mother's a deadbeat, gets to stay!? You can't just go through a family and say "oh, well you didn't come at a great time, so I'll kill you..." "I can't really afford you right now so I'll kill you..." . I don't believe in selective reduction either. In my eyes, people should play with the cards they're dealt.

I don't mean to cause a fight but in other boards I've been on, this topic has caused a lot of fights and bitter feelings, and was best not brought up.

I'm not trying to attack anyone at all! I SWEAR! I'm just stating my opinion.

Just remember..a baby is a baby is a baby...whether they're 5 weeks gestation, 5 months old, or 15 months... A baby, is a baby.

loveydad replied: I'm so sorry! my computer went crazy and posted a million times!

loveydad replied: By the way- there is also adoption...for people who don't want their babies...

but lets see, theres one REALLY big GLARING option..

Don't have sex, or IF YOU MUST use protection, when your not ready for a baby. If my son would have had an abortion I probably wouldn't speak to him as easily. He took responsiblitiy.

Carter and Clara's biological mother was going to abort them. She was related to my gf. We told her no, we'd take them....

Now I look at those two sparkling personalities, my sweet babies, and thank God every day that we agreed to take them in.

as for the money thing- yeah its an issue . but Africa isn't our concern. The usa is. Abortion can have really nasty side effects as well. Start shelling out money to keep people from HAVING these relationships. Why should an innocent baby pay because American is in debt? Nah. Be responsible.

loveydad replied: sorry i posted too soon

as for the money thing- yeah its an issue . but Africa isn't our concern. The usa is. Abortion can have really nasty side effects as well. Start shelling out money to keep people from HAVING these relationships. Why should an innocent baby pay because American is in debt? Nah. Be responsible.

aspenblue1 replied: I personally do not believe in abortion as an option for me. I believe that in some cases it may be necessary. I do not believe it should be used as a form for birthcontrol.

irinam replied:
ITA

I am pro-choice and believe that having "unwanted" kids (this sounds so horrible in itself) suffer through their whole childhood either because of neglect or abuse is unhuman.

Yes, in the ideal world there would not be such kids; everybody would be using proper birth-control; there would be no rapes; mother's life would never be in danger because of pregnancy...

... but we don't live in ideal world

ctymom replied:
I'm happy to hear you have found peace and moved on. That's really great. Because I know it can destroy some people. That's why, even though I personally dont believe in abortion, I do believe that bringing a baby into a situation like that could be very harmful and devistating to all involved.

Like another poster said... it's a moral issue and decision. Unfortunately some people dont have morals and so use it as birth control. It's hard to draw a line with this issue for sure. But making it illegal... would not be a good decision.

Pamela

jcc64 replied: Lovey dad-
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, I really believe your post lacked a certain amount of sensitivity. Perhaps as a man you are less capable of truly understanding the implications of being forced to carry a rapist's child to term. I was raped as a college student, and while it did not result in a pregnancy, I was in no position financially or emotionally to bear a child. And while an unborn baby is a baby is a baby, as you claim, it is not an independent entity, its life is inextricably entwined with its mother's, and its needs cannot and do not supercede her own.
I suggest the compassion you seem ready to show all these theoretical unborn children would better be showered upon the many thousands of already living unwanted (mostly minority) children languishing in foster care.

Lollie replied: Personally I'm against abortion.

I believe that at the moment that a woman conceives,she is carrying a baby inside her...I do however believe that a woman has a right to make her own choices concerning whther she wants to have an abortion or not.I feel that a woman who hasnt been in the shoes of another woman considering an abortion cannot know exactly how she feels or what is driving her decision,therefore she cannot be judged.

coasterqueen replied: I'm pro choice.

I'm not going to judge anyone for their choice. I do want to say that for those who are pro-life, etc. please remember that there are lots of young girls out there that do not feel they have any options and being pregnant at a young age does not make one think very clearly especially if very scared. I know that's not an excuse, but unfortunately a lot of parents take over that choice for a child, too .

I honestly don't think that many teenagers understand the stages of a growing fetus. Honestly. It wasn't til about 8 years ago or so that when DH and I went to a science museum and they had all the stages of a growing fetus from conception to birth did I realize that the baby is "a baby" way before I ever thought it was. I was so shocked and just floored that I didn't know that. Apparently it wasn't taught in sex ed, at least when I was there. I wish they would show teenage girls that exhibit while in highschool or younger even. Maybe then they would think twice when making their decisions.

loveydad replied:
See, I knew this would happen!

Truly I'm sorry you were raped! But what I wrote had nothing to do with you personally. I don't feel like I should be talked to like this, for my views.

I have a TON of sensitivity for raped people. But it is a fact of life. It does happen. I myself was "raped " without my consent in the situation too. It hurts. I hated it. I hated myself for a long time.

But things DO happen. I was not targetting those who've been raped and it should not be taken that way. This is why the abortion topic should NOT be posted at all (sorry Kel!!!!) because people have such strong opions.

I don't feel like I should be singled out. Everyone was posting their opinion.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings I truly am. But don't come on and talk to me like I'm the bad guy here.

jcc64 replied: I don't think you're a bad guy- I don't even know you. I simply disagree with your opinion, strongly. You didn't hesitate to offer your opinion, and when you do that, you need to be prepared for the responses it may elicit.

loveydad replied: Right. I just felt like I was being yelled at or something.

That's my opinion.
Sorry!!

Let's not argue! It's much easier to be freinds! (and nicer)

jcc64 replied: I never really felt like we were arguing. Most people who know me here know I have strong opinions and enjoy a healthy debate, but I never take offense at someone who thinks differently than I do.
It is entirely possible (and healthy, imo) to have this conversation in a civilized manner and come out of it with mutual respect. I believe we just did.

loveydad replied: You know I believe abortion- (the topic, mot the act) is something that brings out the worst in people, because when your pro-life , you feel VERY StRONGLY that murder is inolved....and ifyour pro-choice, you feel just as strong that the woman should decide.

I have thought it over and will consent to this much - there is a time and place for abortion. If you get it really early, it doesn't seem as bad.

for instance, a 15 year old in our town got pregnant. she was HORRIBLE. She smoked, drank, did drugs, slept around...had previous abortions...I prayed I PRAYED she would abort that baby- because I couldn't stand to see it go through the same crap I know she had too... (She didn't though, the baby is named Caleb and he's now about 2-3 weeks old). She is still with the father, a plus.

Partial birth abortion however, ( i wont tell what it is, trust me, you dont want ot know) is something I WILL NEVER agree too.

I'm glad we can come out of this having learned something.

kit_kats_mom replied: I have to agree with Loveydad on the late term abortions. Unless the mothers life is in danger and the baby is not viable, that is the only time that I would feel even somewhat comfortable with the decision. At that point, the poor family would be so distraught anyway. I can't even imagane having to make that decision. I think that most of us were referring to early termination in our posts. I still don't think that late term abortions should be illegal but I do feel that they should only performed in the most dire of circumstances. I may be nieve but I don't think anyone ever wants one of those.

I also may be kinda sleepy today. I can not spell! I know some of these words are totally wrong but I can't seem to figure them out. Dang teething.

My2Beauties replied: OK wow, controversial subject!!! I do not believe in abortion for birth control! I have a friend who has had several abortions and even one when she was 5 months preggo and this to me is absurd. I will never be judgmental towards her or treat her any differently from my other friends but in my mind I'm always thinking how could you kill a baby that is 5 months gestation?? She also has two other kids, I'm like what is the difference between these children you decided to keep and the other 3 or 4 you let die???? OK, now in cases of rape, incest, or life threatening illness (to mother or child, where either one would suffer or die), I think the woman has a right to her choice!!!! Yes there are mothers who can't conceive who would love to adopt, so if a woman is able-bodied and just made a whoopsie I think adoption is the right thing to do! If a woman is raped and that results in pregnancy, well I'm sorry but I think that is a justified cause for abortion, especially for a young teenager (in kit_kats_mom's case, BTW: sorry you had to endure something so terrible)!! Just my

Cay replied: What with the high incidents here in South Africa of babies being dumped in dustbins and left for dead because they are unwanted or because they are born to HIV+ mothers and therefore also unwanted I truly believe in abortion. These babies get left to die slow and cruel deaths so I'm for it 100%. BUT...on the other hand I'm also against it(typical female that can't make up her mind) I just can't imagine anything more horrible to go through and what that unborn child could have grown up to be etc, etc - it's just too awful to even consider going through something like that in my mind.

So, to finish up..I'm for it but don't wanna think about it. A very cowardly attitude but I can't help it.