Woman President? I found this very interesting. - **Religion and Bible quotes mentioned**

Crystalina wrote: I was reading "The Mailbox" in our local paper. It's where anyone can basically give their two cents on whatever be it a complaint, suggestion or thought. So this is what one man wrote that gave me the willys.

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By the author of "America in Prophecy and the Apocalypse":

For the first time in the history of America a woman shall become the president of the United States.

Quote. Jeremiah 31:22
"How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter: For the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth. A woman shall compass a man." End Quote

Quote. Zechariah 5:9-10
"Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked , and behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had the wings like the wings of a stork; and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, wither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, to build it an house in the land of Shinar and it shall be established, and set there her own base." End Quote.

The land of Shinar is in Iraq starting at the ancient Babel and continues to the Persian Gulf. This woman president will build an embassy and a military base to hold in control the Middle East.
We already have a wman speaker of the house, and the next president being a woman will make the tow women with the wings of a stork, as the Bible says.
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I just want to say that I'm not the one interpeting the Bible but the author of the letter. I'm just sharing it because I thought it very interesting.

MyBabeMaddie replied: I have never read Genesis (don't know what part of the Bible those were from) It really freaks me out to hear about that kind of stuff just because you can relate it
to modern day and it just weirds me out

... Aren't those signs of the end?

Crystalina replied:
The way this world is heading it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit.

luvmykids replied: JMHO, I think it required an awful lot of "interpretation" to come up with that prediction

luvmykids replied:

MyBabeMaddie replied:
I didn't mean to say Genesis I meant Revelations

MyBabeMaddie replied:
Those were prophets I was referring to the books of the Bible they were in.

luvmykids replied:
Those are the names of the books also; Book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verse 22.

MyBabeMaddie replied:
You're right sorry, I'm not familiar with the Old Testament guess I should just keep my mouth shut

luvmykids replied:
No, simple question, lots of people aren't familiar with the Old Testament or the Bible in general, I was just trying to clarify;)

msoulz replied:
ITA!! Hey, we made it past 1999, didn't we?!?

gr33n3y3z replied:
I hope not

redplaydoh replied: Switzerland has a few Presidents that are women, there are currently 7 Presidents and I'm not sure how many are women, 2 I think.

Crystalina replied:
They have 7 pres?

Hillbilly Housewife replied: Isn't that Clinton chick running for next election?

Kaitlin'smom replied:
no offical yet but there is BIG talk

Crystalina replied:


Yea, I'm sure she'll run. She ran the country once so why not do it again?

jcc64 replied: I agree with Monica- I think there was quite a stretch to come up with a connection between ancient biblical verse and what may or may not occur in the US Presidential 08 election. I think it's pretty well established by now that people can interpret the Bible every which way to support their own agendas/thoughts, etc. It's almost like a mirror- it reflects back what (or whom) is in front of it.

redplaydoh replied:
Yes, all at the same time. So not one person has absolute power. It's important in the fact that Switzerland is neutral... might've been a good idea for the US too in the past.

kristy-n-chad replied: Yeah, those interpretations are quite a stretch. Regardless, though, we ARE in the end times... Oh, well, doesn't bother me, I know where I'll be when it happens!

Boo&BugsMom replied:
Amen girl.

Crystal, thanks for posting that though. It is interesting how there are many things in the Bible that are aligned with what is happening in the world today to be honest. Even though some interpretations are a little out there, if some would study it, we'd see the correlation with many things.

redchief replied: Hmmm... Interesting, though that's not exactly how my translation goes.


My scripture says, "Then I raised my eyes and saw two women coming forth with a wind ruffling their wings, for they had wings like the wings of a stork. As they lifted up the bushel into the air, I said to the angel who spoke with me, "Where are they taking the bushel?"
He replied, "To build a temple for it in the land of Shinar; when the temple is ready, they will deposit it there in its place.""
This is a dream sequence in which Zechariah is having visions that are being explained to him by the Lord. Inside the bushel is a woman who represents wickedness, and the container (bushel) represents guilt. The bushel with the woman will be deposited in a temple that is to be built in Babylon, which represents the pagan lands. In other words, the woman inside the bushel is to be removed from Zion and imprisoned in the pagan land.

I absolutely do not see the upcoming presidential elections foretold in these prophecies.

Boo&BugsMom replied: Thanks for looking that up Ed!

Crystalina replied:
Hmm, I can't say much about that except that I typed it as the paper had it written. The author of the letter must written it like that. I didn't look anything up I just took that what he had written was the correct quote.

Crystalina replied:
I think like others have said that it's a stretch but anyone can read anything into just about anything. I mean when I first read it I could see what the author of the letter was saying but not so much now. Also I think if I knew more about what was written in the Bible I would be able to make up my own mind. It's kind of hard for me to argue either way because I'm not good with interpertations like this. But like I said, reading it and then reading the letter writers version it sounded good to me but if things in his version aren't fact then that blows that right out of the water. And if his quotes are not correct then there ya go.

redchief replied:
Heheh... Don't feel badly. Theologians spend their whole lives trying to interpret scripture and don't get it.

Nina J replied: I didn't read all the replys, I'm just going to butt in with my 2 cents..but, there have been woman presidents and prime ministers in other countrys. And the US isn't the only country in the world, so those parts of the Bible would apply to other parts of the world too.

(Why is it that whenever I try to say something I can never find the right words? )

MommyToAshley replied: Interesting topic.. thanks for posting.

I agree with a lot of the comments, but I thik you all missed something... I think the biggest assumption is to assume Hillary would win. Maybe that wouldn't be the end of the world but it might be the end of the United States. Sorry, couldn't resist. Hope everyone knows I was teasing... sort of.

redchief replied: I was staying on topic.

Hillary as president? ~~~~shudder~~~~

MyBrownEyedBoy replied: Even as a Democrat (eek, did I just admit that?) I have to say the idea of Hilary scares me. Simply because of how polarizing she is. To be a successful candidate, you have to be charismatic, even-tempered, well-liked and respected. Hilary is a love her/hate her person. Even among Dems. She, IMO, would not be the best choice for a Democratic candidate.

Crystalina replied:
She would not be mine either. I would love to have OBama but dh and I were talking about this and I think (due to his race sadly) that alot of "people" (and I use that term lightly ) would be in an uproar and he would always be having to watch his back. I don't know enough about him to compare him to Kennedy but I would hate for a similiar outcome. I know that already he has alot of security with him because of his race. I would hate for his security to overshadow what he needs to do while in office. kwim? I would vote for him. (as of now. Things are always subject to change.)


OOh, way off topic.

MyBrownEyedBoy replied: I know, I went off topic with my post too.

Crystalina replied:
Well, it's kind of hard not to when there is politics involved. kwim?

MyBrownEyedBoy replied: I was kind of surprised it didn't go off topic as long as it did.

My2Beauties replied: I don't know much about Hillary's politics so I don't know if I'd vote for her only for that reason, I don't follow her much! I do know this, anyone and I mean anyone is better than Bush OK...so I'm getting you back Dee Dee...I'm joking too....

Jackie012007 replied: Hilary is evil She LOOOOOOOVES NYC but fails to realize that there's a whole BIG part of the state, you know, that BIIIIIIIIIG part connected to NYC? Yeah, us... we don't exist to her!

Crystalina replied:
Just let it all out. Tell us how you feel.

punkeemunkee'smom replied: Thanks for posting Crystal! I too feel that a pretty big leap was taken in the translation of those verses. I agree that people can twist many things in the Bible to their own views and uses but I also believe that the Bible is the word of God and although I may not understand all of its contents I know that what it says will come to pass



I hear Ireland is beautiful...I may have to go check it out....

jcc64 replied:


I have to take serious exception to this comment. She has been much more diligent about acknowledging and addressing the needs of people beyond Manhatten than any other senator in my recent memory (and I am older than dirt, after all). I will try to post more specific evidence to this effect when I get a few minutes. I believe she's been a very strong advocate for the entire state, and to me, the biggest shame of a presidential run would be the loss of her advocacy on our behalf. She must be doing something right here if the Republicans don't even bother to offer a serious candidate to oppose her Senate run.
I am fully aware of Hillary's ability to polarize the electorate, as evidenced by many comments made right here. C'mon, is she really "evil"? Other than voting for the war, what single thing has she done to actually put anyone in harm's way?! More than any other political figure on the national level, she has advocated tirelessly for women, families and children- and I guess I can't ever quite figure out why women react so viscerally to her, given she is the one person actually trying to give them a meaningful voice for a change.
My admiration for her has seriously diminished as she has attempted to morph into more of a centrist in order to better position herself for a national platform. When you try to be all things to all people, you end up being nothing to nobody. I think it's political suicide for the Dems to nominate her, and for that reason alone, I don't think I will suppport her. However, I still think it's a shame for people to dismiss her based on the politics of personality over substance. If you don't agree with her ideas, great, that's legitimate, but I think half the people who dislike her don't even know what she REALLY stands for.

MyBrownEyedBoy replied: Jeanne, you once again took the words in my head and made them make sense. Thank you for being so eloquent.

cameragirl21 replied: i am a diehard democrat to the core and am darn proud of that!
But i would not vote for hillary and that's only because i see her as a sellout. example--when arafat was alive she commiserated with his wife saying she wanted a palestinian state...now that she's got ny and nyc has a huge jewish population she suddenly loves the israelis.
i don't trust her and i don't like sellouts.
i actually am giving some serious thought to voting for guiliani...would be my first time voting for a repub (shudder) but i really like and respect the guy.

jcc64 replied: Jen, if you knew some of the stuff that went on in NYC during his tenure, believe me, you would be much less impressed with him. He's a censoring egomaniac who has very little regard for individual civil rights, despite his valient leadership during the whole 9/11 crisis.

Jackie012007 replied:
she's a HUGE supporter of the Oneida Indian Land Claim on CNY- my parent's 12-acre land and home are in it. When the land claim started, they DEMANDED that all the land, including homes and whatnot, be given to them, and that our local goverment make reparations for any changes made to the land during the past 200 years. This land claim has been making ours and everyone involved's lives a living **** for the past 10 years. That is evil.

I'm not going to get into it because it is a very upsetting topic and I don't want to hijack this post and make it nasty or a debate, but anyone who supports a claim on land that would uproot thousands of families and take away their homes and land is just plain evil. Granted, now we are battling the Land into Trust and no one was actually forced from their homes as of yet, but she made it known that she backed the Indians when they made their original intentions about the land claim known.

jcc64 replied: Well, I am certainly not qualified to comment on this particular issue, as I have absolutely no knowledge of it. But I am sorry for your parents' troubles, and I can understand how Hilary's support of this casino would not endear her to you and your family. Good luck.

C&K*s Mommie replied: This quote and others like it sum up my thoughts. But interesting to hear his interpretaion, nonetheless. Thanks for posting it Crystal.

Hillbilly Housewife replied:
Have you kept in mind, though, that it was the native americans homes and familes that were uprooted in the first place?

I'm not trying to be against you - although I am of native american descent, and worked for a few years in the Department of Indian and Northern affairs for our federal government, so I actually know quite a bit about the history of land claims. At least the ones in the North.

I'm sorry your family is going through that, but I do think that the "Indians", as you called them, are entitled to have their land back, or at least be compensated for having it taken away from them in the first place.

Sorry, off topic.

cameragirl21 replied:
i agree with you, Rocky. Jackie, i am really sorry for what your family is going through but i definitely have a soft spot for Native Americans and think they deserve to be compensated for their losses, especially if they can prove that they once owned this land.
doesn't change the fact that i don't care for Hillary and don't see myself voting for her now or ever. unless the other option is Pat Buchanan, then i will suddenly like Hillary very much. it's no good when you have to choose the lesser of two evils, is it?

PrairieMom replied:
maybe we need a seperate thread for the native american topic.

I'm wondering how long has it been since the natives were removed from the land? isn't there some statute of limitations on some of this stuff? How many generations of people to "we" need to repayfor something that our ancestors did generations ago?

Okay. This sounds very "anti-native" and I'm not. I'm just wondering.

Hillbilly Housewife replied:
Depends on which land.

There should be a statue of limitations.... there really should.... it's getting ridiculous. Most land claims, though, when they're stemming from very old, is because some Elder had some document from some other Elder where it shows the original land claims... and that's what's being negociated over.

I can understand people wanting what's theirs.... but who's is it really? It really doesn't matter though, because if the "government" wants it, the "government" will kick your arse off and take it for a heck of a lot less than market price, whether it's yours or the Natives'.

The government is the evil one.

cameragirl21 replied:
well, personally i think there is no statute of limitations when someone was forcibly removed from something that is rightfully theirs. certainly i feel the son is not resonsible for the sins of the father BUT i think that if i can prove that my great grandmother owned your family home and your great grandmother forcibly kicked my great grandmother out then you have to compensate me for my family's losses. we are not responsible for what our ancestors did but we do have to pay for their mistakes. just ask the germans...they will be paying for what their ancestors did in ww2 for a very long time, and they have openly acknowledged that.
i guess for me this is a touchy subject because it's the crux of the nonstop wars in Israel...the Jews were there first but they were forcibly removed by the romans, whose empire fell apart and then the Ottoman Empire came in and now the arabs showed up and suddenly think it's theirs. too many people's lives are lost because of fights over land.
bottom line is that if you can prove it was once in your family you deserve either the land back or the compensation. my people's money and belongings is still being held in Swiss banks and that is by itself a very touchy subject for me even though luckily no one in my family ever saw the inside of a concentration camp. at least as far as we know, my grandmother's brother was sent to war with the Russian army and he disappeared and we don't know what happened to him so that is the only possibility, God forbid. but i digress, the point i'm making is that i don't feel there should ever be a statute of limitations...if you build your home on that land that belongs to Native Americans then maybe you shouldn't be forced to forfeit your home if you were not aware of the true ownership of the land but those to whom the land really belongs should be fairly compensated and that is one area where i would not mind my taxes going...as a society we have to pay for the mistakes of early settlers...it's a small price to pay to live in the home of the free and the brave, don't you think?

HuskerMom replied:
I agree. Hillary as president scares me. I would never vote for her.

jcc64 replied:

As I said earlier, I feel for Jackie's parents- it is a horrible position to be in. However, when I read this quote, my first gut reaction was that this is exactly how "our country" was established in the first place.
I don't believe that there should be a 'statute of limitations' concerning reparations to Native peoples, but I think there should be a very nuanced response and/or solution. Jackie's parents didn't "steal" the land away- they too are unwitting pawns in a larger struggle. The gov't needs to acknowledge the rights on both sides, the harm we as a collective unit inflicted way back in the day, and mediate fairly. Not knowing the details, I'm sure that's easier said than done, but it seems that they both have legitimate interests.

cameragirl21 replied:
well said, Jeanne, that's exactly how i feel and you sure as heck put that better than i did.

Hillbilly Housewife replied: Jeanne and Jennifer - hence one of the reasons why the ongoing battle has been so long, and why Jackie's parent have been going through this for the last 10 years.

Typical land claim negotiations (at least the ones I've seen) have been ongoing for several years, and will continue to... because, exactly for that reason - it's hard to be fair to both parties.... and there is equal importance to both.

Jackie012007 replied: sorry my post kinda hijacked the thread!

I too feel for the Indians (Rocky that is what the group prefers to be called in our area, I know there is an ongoing debate over native american vs. indian) - because both sets of my grandparents are off the boat german. They dealt with WWII and the reparations - some of my family members were put in Auschwitz for nonsupport of the Nazi party and were eventually exterminated there... and if my fam still lived in Germany, they'd probably want their fair share too.

But my family wasn't here 200 years ago when the land was taken from the Oneidas... I guess that is what makes me mad personally. My ancestors had nothing to do with the whole thing, but my parents are being punished. It really stinks, and there is no right way about it to make everyone happy.

Hillbilly Housewife replied:
I understand. It really does blow chunks. I'm sorry your family has to go through that. It would make me upset as well....