The divorce papers have been filed - Jon and Kate

mckayleesmom wrote: This was on People.com who usually have thier facts correct. At least a Legal split is supposedly filed. TMZ reported that they filed for divorce, but I don't know if I believe that just yet. Seems to be heading that way though.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20286254,00.html

My3LilMonkeys replied: My radio station reported this morning that the divorce was announced and the papers would be filed July 15th. I don't know what their source was though.

mckayleesmom replied:
ya....there are a couple others that say that divorce papers were filed in their county.

Kentuckychick replied: Yeah... that's sad, but I guess not unexpected after all that's happened. My thoughts and prayers are with them both (as they would be with anyone going through something like this) and especially with the children.

I do find it sad that all of this is occurring in public... but oh well. I really do hope they can at the very least stay humane to each other.

I will say I've lost a lot of respect for Jon in the past few weeks... looking for apartments in New York City... saying he's the person now that he was truly meant to be (so you were meant to be a cheating a**?)... yeah. He really needs to get his act together. I know having sextuplets at the age of 23.. or 26 (however old he was) can't have been easy. But it was a risk that they BOTH knowingly took and you can't go back and change that. Once a parent you are always and forever a parent.

Now, five years later, is no time to air your regrets.

TrulyBlessed replied: That is very sad. I don't watch the show and I have only read bits and pieces about the family, but I wish they would have been able to work things out.

boyohboyohboy replied:
so is this his mid life crisis early? I mean ok, I kinda get it, if he is upset with his wife about doing the show, and has decided to end his marriage, but moving so far away from the kids..not spending the time with them they are used too, he goes from being there 24/7 as a stay at home dad to gone for days at a time?

I cant imagine just up and leaving your kids, and I feel bad for her, its going to be really really hard.

I also find it disgusting how people are just waiting and watching for this divorce to be filed...
its horrible when a family is split up..no matter what the circumstances.

cameragirl21 replied: wow, that fast? No trial separation or anything? Or have they been separated all this time?
So if Jon moves to NYC then I guess he is also off the show and perhaps out of the kids' lives most of the time?
I think it's very sad that they would have to announce this to the world but I guess that's the life they chose.

luvmykids replied:
I agree with both of you.....I don't care who did what or acted this way or that, it's always sad I'm very suprised that he'd move that far away, I think it says his priorities are as messed up as hers.

Jennifer, I could be wrong but think they separated right when all this news broke. Short separation, but I think a whole lot went on in that short amount of time.

Mommy2Isabella replied: It was just aired on the show.

Divorce papers were filed this morning

So terribly sad. What kills me about tonight's show is Kate is CLEARLY distraught about it all, and he is all joe cool about it. GRR, he got his ears pierced ... are you SERIOUS! And last weeks show he got the bike ... he feels that he "missed out" on something. What he doesn't realize is that those kids and a marriage that can totally be fixed, would make him happier than any other random chic, car, clubbing, earrings, a motorcycle and all that other nonsense.

GRR... Kate is a strong woman and I know most people don't like her. I totally see where she is coming from. I am stronger willed than my husband and often get the wrap of being controlling. Something DH and I constantly work on. I think that it is going to be hard for Kate. You can see that she still loves him and would have liked for things to work out. Reguardless of what anyones thoughts are on the treatment of the kids and why they do the show or any of that. It is going to be hard for her especially with Jon moving so far away. It will be even more difficult for the kids. But honestly they have to know that something has been going on for quite some time.

boyohboyohboy replied:
I saw it just as you described it. I just wanted to slap him. He is acting like such a child and kept saying he wanted to put his kids first, but I think that is the last thing he is doing..
he also made the comment that he was going to stick to their visitation schedule well,unless he was offered a job, or whatever, they could deal with it then..
he came across as an immature selfish brat.

Kentuckychick replied:
Amen to what both of you said.

And you heard Kate say it tonight... and I've heard them both say it before that unlike Kate who is more of the kind of person who is "b*tchy" more often and you saw it a lot on camera, Jon tends to hold it inside and then eventually just completely blow up.

Neither attitude is better than the other. I have a feeling we just haven't gotten to see Jon's big blow ups throughout the years.

He really does act like now that this separation/divorce is occurring he's going to just be able to go out and find something he's been missing all these years. I think what's he's going to find instead is that he misses what he had.

It was nice that they both said that they wanted to maintain a friendship... I really do hope they can do that... but it's pretty clear that Kate blames a lot of different things on the way their lives have turned out... and Jon seems to solely blame Kate.

So sad.

I really felt for her when she said that the thing that upsets her the most is that she just doesn't want to "do it alone"... I don't blame her.

cameragirl21 replied: I get that they're public figures now but I can't get over how normal it seemed to them to be announcing this to the world.
I couldn't help but think something was wrong with this picture, with him speaking about it as if it were an adventure and her getting emotional and talking about her feelings as if she were with a shrink...ummm, do you realize you're on display for the whole world?

Calimama replied:
Aw man it hasn't been on yet here!!!! I was hoping TLC was just being dramatic..

I feel so sad for them. After all they've been through... it's just sad.

HuskerMom replied: That's sad, I feel bad for their kids. It's too bad that they couldn't have just dumped the show and worked on their marriage instead, because that's what's important, not some stupid show.

Crystalina replied: I'm not a big Kate fan and I haven't watched the show for the last couple seasons but I have been following the drama and no matter what, I think Jon is a fool for moving so far away. What father would do that unless there were no other choice? Jon clearly has a choice and has made the bad one.

luvmykids replied:
And, ironically or maybe not so much, in one of the recent shows before the announcement he made such a point about life being about choices. He was also so defensive about how he's in it for his kids, yet he's moving with no real good reason. Smug jerk.

coasterqueen replied:
I agree. NONE of this should have been done in the public eye. I believe marital problems are between the two people and should be kept private to work them out and either resolve the problems for the better or not. I just can't see how anyone is "doing this for the kids" when doing it in the public eye.

Cece00 replied:
Yep. I think his behavior screams of "midlife crisis"- looking for bachelor apts (in NYC?? Why not in one just a short time away from your children??, he got himself a girlfriend, he's running around like a college aged boy, you can tell he is more interested in his "new life" than his family, its in everything he says and the way he acts.

I personally find it disgusting.

I think she ought to get some therapy on how to get a handle on her control issues, but I also can see where she is coming from...she's probably been having to baby a grown man for a long time (I have always thought that about him since the very first specials where the babies were little) and take the lead for a long time (what he calls her "ruling the roost"- uh, hello, SOMEONE had to take care of those kids and I didnt see him qutting his job even though I believe she was able to make more $$, I dont think he wouldve ever chosen to take that position with the kids) and they just fell into a pattern where he had to be told what to do rather than just being a man and doing it, and she ended up being the one who controlled everything by default.

And instead of being a man and telling her "we have problems, we need to seek help and work them out" and then actually, I dont know, WORKING ON IT, he decides to go run around, more than once, with KIDS. College kids, drinking and possibly doing drugs, and getting a 23 yr old girlfriend. Please

GIVE ME A BREAK. Grow up a little. No wonder his wife was so angry with him, who in the world would want to be married to a man like that???

You can tell he doesnt even want to try & work on it for the sake of his kids, he's walking away from them to move to a city they dont live in (he doesnt work so he doesnt need to move away "for work") and running around with the GF, or just running around in general, for his wife's birthday and their anniversary, etc etc etc.

I'm pretty disgusted with both of them but especially him. He just seems like such a...piece of trash. Its like he doesnt even feel bad for what he is doing. No matter HOW unhappy you are in your marriage, you dont run around on your spouse!! It really IS that simple. How in the world does he think his kids will feel about him when they are older and realize that is what he was doing???

I hope I'm wrong but I have the feeling we'll be seeing more of him and his mistress (or maybe a new mistress/string of them...who knows) having a good time than him spending time with his children since he's chosen to move away from them.

Cece00 replied:
I saw that he pierced his ears too.

I couldnt do anything but roll my eyes.

I wish someone could make him see what an idiot he looks like.

He is completely turning into that stereotypical cheater husband who leaves the wife and kids and starts a whole new life where he can now "be himself"- ala, a gf, motorcycle, cars, NYC apt, running around like a kid w/ no responsibilities (let alone EIGHT responsibilities) and talking about how GREAT life is now that he can "do his thing" aka screw up his priorities and make decisions that are bad for his children.

Ick.

moped replied:
YOu and I mght be the only ones on Kate's side !!!!!

Our Lil' Family replied:
No, you can add me to that short list!

Mommy2BAK replied: Not even gonna lie.... I bawled last night during the show. Those poor kids. Does anyone know if they even tried conseling? I guess somethings go beyond being fixable, I would like to see them try for the children.

Geez what could be next now, the Duggars get a divorce?? Now that would be hella child support check!

Mommy2BAK replied:
You can surely add me to that list as well. No doubt she does things I never would, but thats part of her charm.

my2monkeyboys replied: Wow - last night really opened my eyes....
I believe that Jon was never in this to begin with.... oh, he was there, he helped make those babies, but I don't think he was ever there because he WANTED to be there. I think he let her make all the decisions and just went along with it, and now he has chosen to do what HE wants to do, consequences be damned. When I saw him last night it was like looking at a 20-yr-old who just wants to party, do his own thing, with no real thought for his kids. I know he said they were a priority to him, but I have a feeling they will be on the back burner for a while. Then he'll come to his senses and realize how stupid he was and start being a real dad. (I hope, anyway.)
As for Kate, I feel really bad for her. She seemed to be the only one of them that cared that their marriage was ending. No, I take that back. Jon cared - he was just happy about it.
I do think that despite all of their problems, she really loved him and wanted to work things out. He has just chosen to go live his life as he sees fit. Normally I'm all for people being happy, but I think this will turn out to be a huge mistake to him.
I feel bad for the kids, but I think she'll make a huge effort to keep them in a happy place, despite what is happening around them.
As for how much of a part the show played in their divorcing, I guess we'll never know. But a part of me thinks it was going to happen anyway.

Mommy2Isabella replied: I will say this from a complete personal stand point and hope I don't get bashed ...

I never felt Kate was controlling. Kate had a VERY passive man. When you have 8 kids you can't be passive. When you have 1 kid you can't be passive. DH and I struggle with this daily because I don't want him to get to a breaking point but somethings he thinks are ok and I dont. They have PLAY shoes they wear outside. DH doesn't know the difference so I tell him. I am REALLY working on telling him in a nicer way. WHen you have a VERY passive husband one of you needs to stand up and be the dominant one. In our house it is me. Granted I don't yell at DH but I am not saying I never have. We also have to remember that this is TV the air what will get ratings and a woman smacking her husband or yelling "HELLO" is a lot more entertaining than someone who says "hunny, I know you were just trying to help but they can't just run free like that, " or whatever the case.

If I were on that show with my 2 children and you all saw my personal life with my DH everyone who is against Kate would hate me too. I think she is doing what she has to do to maintain order in their home. Same way a lot of mother's do. We as mother's have ideals in mind for our children. We want them to be dressed in cute outfits when we go out in public in shoes (even when they can't walk) and most men don't see it that way. I know my DH doesn't feel a need for them to wear socks or shoes if they can't walk, and who cares how they are dressed, as long as they are comfortable.

AHH, I could go on for days. I feel for Kate. I don't have issues with my DH because we work on things together, he lets me know when I am getting a little too bossy and I correct myself because that life is a life we don't want.

What BREAKS MY HEART is that just last year they renewed their vows. Kate says this has been going on for a long time and I totally can see that, and unfortunately they probably renewed their vows for the trip, and hoped that things would work themselves out.

As far as counseling goes, to the best of my knowledge they haven't had any counseling!

** Mommy2BAK - How are you doing with this PG? You are having a little boy right? How are the girls doing?

punkeemunkee'smom replied: I am the first to admit that I really used to think she was a grade A B**** and I did not watch the show...what I had seen in bits and pieces was enough....BUT now I will say she may have been controlling but that house ran like a top with 8 kids in it. It can NOT be easy to have that many children but it is obvious she loves them. Do I agree with putting them on TV, honestly I don't know... I can see how they were trying to give them the best life possible. Dream vacations and a beautiful home, time with both parents and amazing memories. I just recently started watching (so I may be off here) but from the first episode I saw (we watched a marathon a few months ago-before all this got started) Jon seemed bitter about the 6...he says We had 2 beautiful twins and then Kate wanted to try again and we got 6 more....I thought there was a disconnect from them. It was sad and I evenm said to Bill well I can see why she is such a control freak now. After lastnight I feel terrible for her and I think he is a douche bag!
**Note to JON** You don't get to find yourself now! You have a FAMILY! Put your big boy panties on and deal with it. You are not 'only 32' YOU ARE 32...and balding! GROW UP and deal!!!!!!!

moped replied:
This is what I was trying to say but you said it better.....

I LIKE KATE!!!!!!

mom21kid2dogs replied:
LOL!!! I told my husband "If he says that one more time, I'm going to throw something at the TV". Seriously, if that's the best you can come up with then I guess we now see your true self!
At least the kids have 1 adult in their life. Yikes!!!

jcc64 replied: I have always felt that Kate got a bad rap. My own dh (also a seemingly mild-mannered, mellow Korean guy) and I (a seemingly mouthy, impatient type) share some similarities with Jon and Kate in the dynamics of our relationship, and believe me, there is soooooooo much more than meets the eye. Jon's passivity and reticence are as damaging to the relationship as Kate's incessant nagging and controlling--he's just not as unpleasant to listen to, on the surface. Quiet people can be just as stubborn, unyielding, and controlling as big-mouthed ones--trust me on that one. And I would imagine that Kate's bitchiness is at least in part due to the fact that she's sick of having to be the grown up 24/7 while he's constantly attempting to relive his adolescence. Partying with college kids is not the way a mature, intelligent, stand-up guy behaves when he's got 8 very young children at home.
And I'm sorry-- his whining about the papparazzi and lack of privacy is disingenuous and completely irritating. If he values his privacy so much, he shouldn't have thrown his family in front of tv cameras in the first place. He made a choice, even if his choice was just blindly going along with Kate's master plan--he's a grown man capable of exercising free will, and he signed on the dotted line right along with her, and now he's having a tantrum about the way it all turned out.
I'm sure living with Kate is no picnic--her germ/cleanliness/material obsession /appearances-at-all-costs rap is totally annoying. But it appears to me that at the very least she's remained a grownup, which is way more than can be said about Jon.

jcc64 replied: And ita about the "I'm only 32 line." Gimme a break--you're middle-aged, dude, get over yourself with the motorcycle and the piercings and hitting on college skanks. It's really very demeaning to the kids he claims to care so much about.

MommyToAshley replied: It's funny how one show can change everyone's perception. Historically, it has been good television ratings to portray Kate as the control freak, and then when ratings started to drop, it was convenient to portray Kate as the victim and Jon as the bad guy. It's apparent that with a little editing, the producers can tilt the show and create the appearances that will give them the best ratings. I don't think we will really know (or should even know) what goes on behind the cameras.

Mommy2BAK replied:
OMG that is too funny Abbie, what a great point!

jcc64 replied: I think I've been pretty consistent about my opinions all along--mainly b/c I live with a guy a teeny bit like Jon (sans the womanizing or philandering). Ita with you about the power of editing in general, Dee Dee, but in this case, I've always been able to see how Jon could drive you to drink, despite his affable, playful nature. I wouldn't describe Kate as a "victim", simply less of a "monster" than she has been portrayed to be of late in the gossip rags.

MommyToAshley replied:
I wasn't making a statement about your comments or suggesting that you have flip-flopped on your opinion, it was just a general statement about how Kate is perceived by the masses. I just happened to post right after your post but I hope you don't think I was implying anything more.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
Nope, I am too. I have no respect for that large boy...and I am not calling him a man for a reason, because he isn't one!

coasterqueen replied:
I completely agree. While I've made my own judgments about this show, I know we don't know everything - not really enough to say what is definitely is. KWIM? Just like last night Dh (who has barely ever watched the show) said "they were totally scripted to say what they said" - which I think is true. I'm sure lawyers were involved in what they were saying, etc. I also, while I thought John looked like he didn't seem to care that the marriage was falling apart, thought that Kate was trying to get people on her side as looking like she was the victim. She kept saying how much she cares about the marriage, etc, etc, etc, and then there are snippits of her being just as mean to him as much as the last few episodes. I think he was messing with her in one of the kids crooked houses last night and might have accidentally hit her in the head when trying to close the door and she got extremely snotty with him about it - why would she do that? I dunno. I think there is more to this failing marriage than we will ever know. Maybe it was because he wanted to stop the show and she didn't. Maybe it was because she was controlling and he went along with it and finally got fed up. Maybe it was because he decided to have a wandering eye and do things he shouldn't? Maybe it's because he is immature. Who knows, maybe she is having some sort of affair w/the bodyguard and Jon chooses not to expose it and make matters worse. Maybe, maybe, maybe. We do not know everything and honestly we shouldn't. I, personally, have never liked Kate because of her meanness towards him and her all of a sudden drive to be Princess Kate. I never really saw anything to what I classify as bad about Jon, but I will say last night showed me a side of him I didn't like at all.

In the end my heart goes out to those children who will someday be able to see ALL the documented disgusting evidence that brought their parent's marriage to an end. If they cared for those children one ounce they would have NEVER brought their troubles public, even after the media had. If they had any respect for their family they would have said "believe whatever you want about what the media is showing you, but we are going to deal with this privately and that is that" and the end to the show no matter what the cost, IMO. I mean, they were separated back as far as Mother's Day (middle May) probably before and that was BEFORE they signed the TLC contracts to add 40 more episodes. They may have had to finish their existing contract obligations, but they didn't need to sign 40 more and drag that family farther into the mud.

stella6979 replied:
to everything you just said.

Danalana replied: I just hope those kids don't grow up thinking THEY are the reason their parents couldn't hack it together. They are going to see re-runs of the show for many years, I'm sure, and I hope they don't think Jon had to leave them to find himself. It's all so sad. I know there are plenty of single mothers (and fathers) out there who do an amazing job, but it makes such a difference to have both. They at least need to know that they are just as loved by both parents, even if they can't live together.
So, is the show going to continue, even after this? I didn't watch, so I don't know.

Kirstenmumof3 replied: My thoughts go out to the whole family! I do believe that they both lost a lot having twins and septuplats so young. I understand both sides, but I don't agree with a parent moving so far away. I left my husband and my children because I didn't want them to see me when I was sick (yelling at them, crying all the time). It was so sad when I left, but I saw my children every chance I got. In time our I grew stronger, our family grew stronger and now we are reconciling. I hope that Jon and Kate will be able to see how much they love each other and one day reconcile.

mom21kid2dogs replied:
Totally noticed this as well. Two weeks ago (and earlier) all kinds of posts about what a witch Kate is, who could live with her, etc, etc. Now she seems to have the sympathy of the masses. Not sure if it's clever editing or just now seeing the forest for the trees, but the sympathy vote has certainly shifted away from Jon at the moment. Like you, I suspect the truth lies in the unseen and hopefully, with the suspension of the show, it will remain there.

luvmykids replied:
HUGE ditto.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:
Bill and I were talking about it on the phone lastnight and he said "What a grade A piece of skank trash the girl that is messing with him must be-What a wife and 8 kids...no problem honey" I love my husband!

Kentuckychick replied: The "I'm only 32" comment made me want to throw something at the tv as well.

My mom and dad were married when they were 17 and 18 and had their first child when my mom was 20 and were finished when she was 25 and if you asked them today, sure they may feel like they missed out on some things, but they also feel like there's a LOT more they would have missed out on if they hadn't gotten married and had us.

He acts like he was just a kid when the sextuplets were born. He was 26. I'm 26 and I would give ANYTHING to be able to have a child.

As for the whole one show changing perspectives... mine hasn't changed since the beginning. I've always said I thought Jon was immature. I think this proves it.

They can do all the editing they want to the film, but the words that come out of their mouths... like him saying "sure I've changed, but I've become who I wanted to be"... or "I'm only 32, I may get offered a job and then the whole schedule will change" (or in other words, I may get offered a job and then I'll hardly ever see my kids)... you can't make that stuff up.

TrulyBlessed replied:
I give her credit for openly talking about her feelings. It is hard enough to go through a divorce, let alone have to do it in the eyes of the public and having people put you under a microscope and scrutinize everything you do. I couldn't even imagine being in her shoes. I think they also made it public because for the last I don't even know how many years they have lived their life in the public. I mean, they just announced it to the public, but they haven't played the whole divorce out in the eyes of the public. If they do that, then I can understand what you are saying. JMHO

Honestly though, my opinion does not mean much. I have never watched the show. I have only been following bits and pieces since the media has been on them.

Mommy2Isabella replied: I read yesterday that they will no longer be filming new episodes of the show. TLC has halted filming until at earliest August 3rd.

I also read that they have had a really hard time getting footage for the show because of how Jon & Kate were so at odds with each other that oftentimes they were finishing filming for the particular weeks show just the night before the show aired.

I am SO glad they are taking a break from filming for awhile. The kids are going to need time to process what is going on, and it gives Kate and Jon time as well. I don't know how I feel about continuing to watch the show, though I have been an avid watcher for years. I own season DVD's and went to a speaking engagement with Kate. It is no longer about a normal family making it work with twins and sextuplets. Now it is about a family who has had SO MUCH handed to them struggling through a divorce and still going on with the show. Kate said in closing interviews the other night, "The Show Much Go On" I think that is insanity, but we don't know the legalities behind stopping doing the show.

jakesmommy08 replied: I didnt get to watch the show monday night but i got to watch it last night and being pregnant, i completely broke down. This is so sad. I will be the first to admit that this episode did change my view on kate. I have always watched the show, and lately she was the bad guy, everyone sees it. But after that show, I realized that (rather on script or not) shes human and she has feelings. She really seems upset about this. Making statements about how when she has to be away from the home, she dont know what shell do, compared to jon who seems like hes only focused on what he'll do when hes away. KWIM? There were many occasions where she talked bout the kids being first, but jon had said something about.....i need to do whats best for me........and the kids......then he made a comment after that about how the kids were first of course. Bull crap!

I understand everyones opinion about keeping this to themselves, but like they said on the show, they are people in the public eye, and not that i agree with them airing there dirty laundry, but if i were them i would rather people here it right from my mouth then to "assume".

Jon seems like hes set on being able to get away and do things hes missed out on....etc..etc...etc....I strongly believe that if you are in a relationship, (with or without kids) you cant spend every single minute with the other person. You have to have time apart, it helps you appreciate them more.... (this isnt sounding the way i want it to so i hope you can understand what im trying to say) and with them having 8 kids i feel this is even more so true. Where was the jon and kate???? there was no such thing....it was Jon and Kate plus 8. I cant recall ever seeing them kiss, hug or anything like that...(maybe just a few times).Baically there "flame" was gone.

So what im trying to get at is.......jon is all about being able to do things he missed out on....but im hoping that this time away is going to open his eyes to show him whats hes already got (or had rather) and hopefully make him appreciate kate more. TLC said something about doing clips of old shows for the next few eposides but something about doing a new show come august so who knows whats in store for them.

Again this was all just my opinion. You can agree or disagree

jakesmommy08 replied: i just read my post and realized that in the 3rd section is makes me sound like i agree with jon going away........THATS NOT THE CASE AT ALL!!!! I was just saying that hopefully with him getting this "time" that he needs hell grow up an realize that hes already got.

coasterqueen replied: You know there are "reports" this morning saying when Kate (or whoever on her side) filed the divorce papers she checked the box that they have been separated for TWO years. Now that doesn't mean they haven't been living together for 2 years, but they say they are usually in agreeance of the separation and living in seperate beds. How sad. Why would you continue a show if your marriage is like that? Why would you FOOL the public like that? That's just sickening. I know it was mentioned that maybe they couldn't get out of a contract now, but they renew yearly and if they have been "separated" for two years......why else would they do the show?????

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coasterqueen replied:
Really? Wow. I thought you had to be lawful (honest) when signing court documents. I guess not. That's sad.

punkeemunkee'smom replied: You know though if he cheated I can totally see what the motivation for that would be!

luvmykids replied:
That's a misrepresentation, it has to do with divorce laws in PA. There was an article online explaining it, she actually checked both boxes applicable to their situation as a means of covering all the bases.

eta: Didn't see the post where someone else already addressed this.

I don't know that it was dishonest, checking that box can also be nothing more than starting the clock on the two years....meaning the divorce might be delayed.

My2Beauties replied: I watched the show last night (well bits and pieces of it) and I've only seen one other episode so I have no clue how they are in other episodes but neither one seems awful to me. I mean they both seemed like they had the kid's best interest at heart. Like I said I didn't see the whole show so I didn't hear some of the bad comments Job made from what I saw/heard him say he had their best interest at heart. I guess I'm just one of those people where I believe these types of shows are so heavily edited, I mean on reunion shows for dating and stuff you hear it all the time about how they edited out so much of what really happened. I think the show can swing it the way they want to swing it. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors so I am judging neither one of them.

coasterqueen replied:
I guess I don't understand that.

coasterqueen replied:
I could too, but not to a point to be dishonest myself. Although, like it has been pointed out, I don't understand the PA laws or what their divorce documents really are and the intentions.

luvmykids replied:
"We now know what Kate checked on the divorce papers, which are confidential. There are two grounds for a no fault divorce in Pennsylvania -- the first is waiting 90 days after the papers have been served. Then, if both Jon and Kate agree the marriage is "irretrievably broken" ... the divorce can proceed.

And there's a second option -- that they have lived separate and apart for 2 years. But that doesn't mean they have been separated for that long. It means she must wait 2 years from the moment she considered the marriage kaput and began living separately (if only in different bedrooms). We're told the real separation between Jon and Kate is very recent and Kate checked the box just to get the clock ticking."

Basically, if they both agree the marriage is over, the divorce could happen in 90 days. If not, one of them to prove to a judge when they considered the marriage over and considered them separated even if only in separate beds.....and wait two years from that date. So, she could be trying to establish the day she filed as the beginning of the two year period. I still don't know if I'm explaining it properly, there are obviously a lot of reasons why someone would check both boxes, I'm just trying to point out it's not automatically dishonest.

coasterqueen replied: Ok, I see what you mean. Although when you look at the legals on PA's websites for divorce, it makes it seem like you check that box IF you have been ALREADY separated for two years, which is how I took it originally. Not sure.

coasterqueen replied:

This was from a Pennsylvania legal divorce site. To me that says the marriage has to be irretrievably broken AND separated for at least two years......the word A N D is why I read it the way I did to begin with.

luvmykids replied:
Well, I read it in a gossip mag and not a legal site, so I didn't see the "and"

cameragirl21 replied: judging by the way Jon was talking about this on Monday night's show, I don't think he would fight this divorce and if his consent is all it takes for it to be over in 90 days then it seems the 90 days can't be over fast enough for him.
I wonder for how long these two really knew the marriage was over...I'm willing to bet longer than it's been debated by various media sources....

coasterqueen replied:
So did I originally, but the way I read it it stated and....so then I had to look at a legal site to confirm.