Mother Sprays Child At Car Wash! - **Video**

Crystalina wrote: This woman makes me totally sick! I would love just a few minutes with her. How could she?

TrulyBlessed replied: Oh, I just want to beat that woman down!! That breaks my heart!! That poor little girl. I can't even find words to describe how emotionally upsetting that video is to watch.

Calimama replied: Man I'm in tears for her.

Nina J replied: She is a pathetic woman, that is just disgusting.

sparkys2boys replied: OMG, that is just sick I hope they find that person and make her pay for what she done, so sad

gr33n3y3z replied:

amynicole21 replied: that happened here in Orlando. Here is her reply:

Mom Explains Why She Pressure-Washed Kid

updated 51 minutes ago
ORLANDO, Fla. - A mother who was videotaped while spraying her 2 1/2-year-old daughter with a high-pressure water hose at an Orlando car wash told authorities she did it because the child was throwing a tantrum.

She told authorities she did not have the hose on full blast, and she said that it isn't as bad as it looks.

The mother said she had used this type of punishment before with a spray bottle.

The mother saw herself on TV late Thursday afternoon and called deputies. She called deputies and said they could come to her apartment to speak with her and see her daughter.

Marlene Diaz, a manager at Magical Car Wash, said she has never seen this type of abuse before.

"You don't do that to a kid," Diaz said. "No child deserves that."

The video showed the child trying to hide her face while the woman pinned her to a wall and sprayed her at close range.

"Disgusted," Diaz said. "I'm mad, infuriated as to how someone could do that to a little child."

Officials said the water shoots out of the hoses with a force of about 1,200 pounds per square inch, powerful enough to create the type of friction and sting from a rug burn.

"Your skin gets red, and at times it could peel," Diaz said.

"That's a pressure washer; that's meant to be used on a car, not on a child," mother Carol Felicicano said.

Diaz didn't see what happened until she checked the surveillance tapes, but she said she heard the girl crying after the mother stopped spraying her.

Diaz said she also heard the mother say, "You're going to learn to respect me. You don't treat me bad. You don't mistreat me; I'm your mother."

Surveillance cameras showed the mother stripped the girl, leaving her standing in the car wash bay naked, while she grabbed a towel and put her back in the car.

The Department of Children and Families said the child was taken to a medical facility for an evaluation.

The child was examined by the Child's Protection Team nurse practitioner and found to have no visible injuries.

DCF did not remove the child from the residence.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office Child Abuse detectives are still investigating the criminal portion of this case to determine the proper course of action.

Sgt. John Allen said Thursday night that the investigation would continue Friday.

~Roo'sMama~ replied: Even if she didn't have it on full blast, what a horrible way to "discipline" your child! That poor little girl.

My2Beauties replied: I still think this is a horrible way to discipline and how demeaning...she did this in public then left her stark naked....I know the woman did the right thing by calling authorities and letting them see the child....she still needs help this is no way to treat a child. Gosh, what is wrong with people nowadays.

MommyToAshley replied: That poor child. And, the sad thing is that the woman thinks she did nothing wrong because she didn't have the water on "full blast".

luvbug00 replied: ok did youcatch the part where she said she does the same with a spray bottle at home??

that is a well known tactic to disapline a dog, NOT a kid. uhh idot.

A&A'smommy replied: UM dicipline is good but that is how you train a DOG Poor baby girl!!!!

jcc64 replied: I have an idea. Let's strip her down, spray her with the hose "not on full blast", and see if she learns her lesson.
Some people are such idiots.

3xsthefun replied: That is awful! I feel so bad for that poor little girl!

Calimama replied: I can't believe they left the child in the house. Did they not at the very LEAST see how she was yanking her around?

Jackie012007 replied: ugh that is awful!!!! I cannot believe they didn't take her out of the home!!!

My2Beauties replied:
Yeah I have a mind to contact her local CPS office and ask them what in the *&(*& they are thinking not taking that child out of that home??

I guarantee they've gotten a slew of calls.

amynicole21 replied: Update... They have arrested her:

http://www.wesh.com/news/15528862/detail.html

~Roo'sMama~ replied:
Good I'm glad they arrested her!!

:.Mrs_Mommy.: replied: I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this. I just kept seeing my little girl being sprayed down and it broke my heart. I'm glad she didn't get seriously hurt and that the famly is going to be watched closely.

mckayleesmom replied: Ugh...I saw this the other day....Disturbing....And wasn't there another adult there? She should be arrested too.

huma replied: I guess I'm not too suprised at all of the comments in aghast of this incident, especially in light of the fact that in today's society putting your child to bed without a snack is considered child abuse (see the father charged with abuse for taping a Packers jersey to his 7yr. old son at a playoff game when he refused to wear it). People can watch shows like 'Nanny 911', and yet they still don't understand how children become so disobedient? If you have ever washed your car in a self-wash carwash, you would know that there is a hose setting for spot-free rinse that could hardly be considered 'pressure' in any way. If that is indeed what this mother used, then it is in NO WAY 'child abuse'! The manager also said the mother stripped the child down to put a towel around her, then put her in the car...how is that abuse? Especially since we see naked children in commercials everyday! Would you rather the mother put the child back in the car in her wet clothes? The mother is the one who called authorities, and freely welcomed them to come to the house and talk to the child...why? Because she had nothing to hide! I applaude this mother for trying to instill in her child obedience and respect (if indeed she didn't use the high pressure setting), so the child doesn't grow up to be a disrespectful brat...see our daughters' role models in Paris, Britney, Lindsay, etc.

shaneg79 replied: huma,


I can't believe you don't think this is child abuse!!! This is definitely child abuse!!! I wouldn't do that to my cat or dog let alone one of my kids! There are other ways of discipline. You don't discipline by spraying them with a hose. I use time out with my kids and redirect them if they are doing something they shouldn't . I don't even spank them! Anyone who would do this to a child needs them taken from the home! My kids respect me because i show them love not because I scare them into doing so. You need help right along with that woman if you think its not child abuse to spray your children with a high power hose. Even the manager at the car wash said that it was on a high setting and u can tell that the little girl was feeling uncomfortable the way she was dancing around and crying so i don't believe her that it wasn't on a high setting.


Shane

huma replied: Shane:

No, I do not consider spraying a child with a hose child abuse. Weren't you ever sprayed with a hose playing in the backyard on a hot summers day? Did that scar you? Come on. The manager didn't say it was on the pressure setting, only that she heard the child crying...what child doesn't cry when being disciplined? When Child Services checked the child, they didn't see any marks. Of course the child was moving around, she didn't want to get wet, and she wanted to keep throwing a fit! If you are they type of person that wouldn't spray your cat or dog with water for jumping on the counter or digging in the trash, then you're probably the same type of person that wouldn't swat a fly in your kitchen because its 'cruel'...

Yes, there are many ways to discipline children, and time out is one of them. However, other times and circumstances require other measures. Perhaps the child was throwing a tantrum because she didn't want to get out of the car while the mother washed it in the first place, and placing the child in the car for 'time out' would have only been giving in...where would you have wanted the mother to put the girl for time out? Disciplining your children so they don't grow up to be deviants is showing them love them.

Like I said, I'm not suprised, in today's society, that people believe spraying a child with water is abuse...you can't even look at a child cross-eyed without getting into trouble.

Jackie012007 replied: not only was the child sprayed, she was yanked around rather harshly. I am very traditional in my parenting, not afraid to spank of CIO, but I think that was a ridiculous way to punish a child. And the only reason the mom called the police was because there was a report on the news that the police were looking for her. She didn't do it out of the kindness of her heart.

There is a BIG difference between getting sprayed with a garden hose in the summer, and getting sprayed with a high-velocity car cleaning hose. Even on low, it stings when you are hit, especially at close range. My friends and I used to spray each other with them in high school - they hurt.

If my child wet her pants in the car, I certainly wouldn't strip her nude in public, yank her around and spray her in the FACE and body with a car hose, and scream at her. There are better ways to handle it and what this woman did was plain WRONG.

huma replied: If the mother sprayed the child with the high pressure setting, then yes, I say it's abuse. If she used the spot-free rinse setting, than no, it isn't abuse. You may have sprayed your friends with the high pressure setting, but that's not what the mother said she did...nor does it appear so, or else the child would have been pushed back quite hard from the hose. If sprayed with the light setting, it would not hurt...you can spray me all day with that setting if you would like. Nor did I see the mother violently yank the child around...I don't know what you were watching? Also, you can't tell if the mother is 'screaming' at the child. The manager heard the child cry, but didn't say anything about hearing the mother scream, nor does it appear so in the video.

The mother did not discipline the child for wetting her pants, she disciplined her for throwing a tantrum, then took her out of the wet clothes and wrapped her in a towel. I don't know about you, but I have seen plenty 2yr. olds being changed in front of the public at the beach or water park.

Yes, the mother called the authorities after she saw the news story, but like I said, she felt she had nothing to hide. She wanted them to see that her child was fine.

mommy~to~a~bunch replied:
I'm sorry, the fact that this took place at a CAR WASH and the mother clearly is disrespectful to the child, it's abuse. WHY do you think this is OK? Would you want someone to do that to YOU? I didn't think so.

THAT is not discipline - it's ABUSE, and I am so glad she was arrested!

Do you have kids?

Jackie012007 replied:
wow. I fear for your children

huma replied:
You shouldn't.

~Roo'sMama~ replied:
Disciplining your children at a car wash is definitely ok, but that's I don't think that's what Mollie meant. The form of discipline that mother used was just wrong. Whatever is wrong with a simple time out, or dare I say it, a spanking? Why on earth would you drag your kid into a car wash and spray them in the face with water from a hose? I don't care what setting she used, she should NOT have punished her child that way.

huma replied:
Based upon your assumptions, that this mother pulled over to the carwash to discipline her child by spraying her with water, would seem strange. However, I'm not sure that's what happened. From what I understood, the mother went to the carwash to wash the car, and while there, her daughter threw a fit. She then proceeded to spray her with the hose (on the light setting), and talk/scolded her. A time-out (to the car, perhaps) wouldn't have been warranted if the child was complaining about having to get out of the car in the first place, and perhaps the tantrum wasn't severe enough to warrant a spanking...who knows? However, I do not believe spraying a child with water constitutes abuse. Like I said early, though, if the mother used the high pressure setting, then yes, it's abuse.

~Roo'sMama~ replied:
Even if she was already at the car wash, it's still a horrible form of punishment. It doesn't say much about her character, or her ability to calmly discipline without going overboard. It looks like the mother is having just as much of a tantrum as the child.

ETA: I also wanted to point out that the police that arrested her said that the arrested her after they went back to the carwash to do some more research, so maybe there is more to it than the mother says. Just because she says she used the lightest setting doesn't mean that she did. It still wouldn't matter to me though if she did - I wouldn't want her coming near my kids with a 30 foot pole.

mommy~to~a~bunch replied:
I'm sorry, there are ways to discipline without abusing children, and I use them. And no, you won't see me on Nanny 911 ever . My kids are some of the most well-behaved children you will ever see, and we have been told that NUMEROUS times by complete strangers as well as family members.

Hillbilly Housewife replied: Perhaps now would be a good time to remind new members, as well as members who have been here a while, to re-read the Terms and Conditions.

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I think it was just a stupid thing for the mom to do. Probably not meant to hurt the child... probably similar to a glass of water to the face when the kids are throwing a fit, which I've done. When they're on the floor, kicking and screaming, not paying attention to anything you do or say, sometimes you do drastic things to get their attention. I know that I've sure had some surprised kids when the cold water hit!!

I also agere that kids today seem to be worse behaved than ever... and i also kind of agree that it is from lack of discipline, and more moms are opting to let the kids be kids and make their own way. Then when they want to start disciplining, the kids won't have it, and then Nanny 911 hits. The kids are out of control, and usually it is the parents fault.

It's too bad it has come to this... where you judge a woman by spraying her child in a carwash with a low setting. I would have likely done the same thing, had my child tinkled all over themselves... much easier to clean, that way. AND, who knows... by the end of the clip... who says that the mom wasn't trying to have fun with the kid? Who says she wasn't tryin to spray her in the face for fun? I do it to my kids in the shower when they're being bratty... I make it into a game, they go from whining/crying to laughing.

Nobody here knows the full story. So judge all you want... but keep in mind that your comments are your own assumptions, and you know what they say about Assume.

Jamison'smama replied: Well the mother herself said she did it because the child was throwing a tantrum and the crying child who was trying to run away did not appear to believe it was a fun game.

I agree that there is often a need for discipline but this parent lost control and made a bad decision. Parents do a lot of things when they lose control --I have said a few things I've had to apologize for. It doesn't make it right. It was a good example of how we, as parents need to think before we dole out the discipline of choice. Sure it probably got the child to stop the immediate tantrum, scare tactics work to stop the problems temporarily but what could she have done instead that would have been more productive? How could she have used a different form of discipline to get the same results without stooping to the level of a 3 year old?

The child was very young, there were MANY other options. I am a big fan of taking action when needed, my kids know how to behave and I don't use any kind of physical discipline. There are alternatives to spraying a child with water and as a parenting board, discussing other options might be helpful.

mummy2girls replied:
actually you can put a child in time out anywheres... A child needs to know no matter where they are they get a consequence. So taking the child out of teh car and placing the child on the ground and make them sit there. Not put the power hose on them and get them wet... Thats is wrong!

coasterqueen replied: I don't know, but when I watched that video the other day at a restaurant (video on the news) it didn't look like a "low" setting to me. I'm going to have to pay a visit to a car wash this weekend, because I don't really remember a LOW setting except the wax cycle. I'd dare to think she used that cycle.

jcc64 replied: Terrorizing and physically bullying a very young child may get you the desired result of immediate obedience, but is this the kind of relationship you want with your child? And what exactly is she learning- that if you're bigger and stronger, you can use force to get what you want?
Though I have NEVER laid a hand on any of my children, I am old school when it comes to demanding and getting respect simply because I am the adult. There are ways to get that across in a measured, reasonable way, regardless of how out of control the child has become. You don't respond to the wild frenzy of a 2 yo with a tantrum of your own, which is clearly what was going on in this case. If you want self control from your children, you have to model it yourself.
I agree that some people do not discipline their children enough, and that the result is a spoiled, insolent child. I also feel, as in this case, the wrong kind of discipline is far more damaging than none at all.

A&A'smommy replied: Sprayiing a dog with a water bottle is a WELL known way to train a DOG not a child. And she ADMNITTED to doing that at home, that is demeening to that child.

MommyToAshley replied:
Well said. There were a ton of other options available to discipline, and she made a bad choice. I am just concerned that this is more the norm than a bad choice this one time. At the very least, I hope they mandate that she take some sort of parenting classes and set up regular follow-up visits.

lisar replied:
I agree. You can punish a child anywhere. Make them put thier nose to the wall. But NOT spray them with the water thingy. COME ON.... Thats abuse in my eyes and the fact that they left the child in the home blows my mind. Some people shouldnt have kids. And she is one of them.

As far as the rest of the comments I am gona play nice today. I am in a good mood.

Mommy2BAK replied: So sad, and I haven't even brought myself to watch the video yet.

Crystalina replied: I'm glad she was arrested!!!

As for the other discussion going on in this thread (as to whether or not it's abuse ) I'm not even going to say a thing.
With that said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on things I'm sure.

BTW, Nice to meet you huma. I can't wait to chat with you on other topics.

My2Beauties replied: I'm sorry, but this is demeaning and is child abuse. It wasn't a low setting, you could tell from the video and the child was turning around and around trying to get away from the water and the mother was throwing her around making her stay put and continuing to put the hose on her. It'd be different if she were further away, made a rude comment to her mother and her mom lifted the nozzle up just enough to spray her a little bit as if to say...you better not go there anymore, I might back her on that one (I wouldn't do this to my child but hey...I could still see her point of view as a warning maybe) but...she held her at point blank range and continuously for a long period of time sprayed her with the forceful hose. I just washed me car last weekend, those washers are so strong that they make my hand cock back as if I were shooting a real gun and the mist of the spray was going all over the place, Desiree and her friend were hiding about 15-20 feet away from the car so they woudln't get hit. I know what he's talking about the spot free rinse at low pressure.....it's not that low honey....it's still quite strong at point blank range, so is a regular backyard hose with a sprayer on it too if you wanna get technical The point is look how close she was to the little girl.

:.Mrs_Mommy.: replied: That little girl is like 2 yo right? What person in their right mind thinks that spraying a 2 yr old baby in the face with any water is not abuse?!?

I wouldn't do that to my 8 yr old let alone a baby.

Momofthreegrown replied: This is officially the DUMBEST news story I've ever seen. It's a symptom of the nosy, sniping, ignorant society we've become. People are WAY too busy spying on everyone else, looking for something at which to point a dirty little finger. My advice: Mind your own business!
AS A SIDEBAR: People have (HAD, once) a right to live and raise their children as they see fit. It's time for lawmakers to take a huge step back and give people back their privacy and rights.
I know way too many people who are so scared of being accused of abuse, or so lazy they use it for an excuse, they don't bother being parents to their children. Discipline, rules, and limits are the "bad" side of parenting. It shouldn't be that way. Americans especially need to stop pretending that limits are bad. If everyone taught their kids right from wrong, we'd all be better off.
Stop accusing your neighbors and take a look at your own life.

Crystalina replied:

Spraying your 2 y/o down like an animal in a car wash is not proper discipline. If this is how this mother (or any mother) disciplines their child then no wonder their children misbehave. You treat them like animals and guess what...they act like animals.

:.Mrs_Mommy.: replied: Very well said Crystalina! Thank you.

Nosy Neighbors Unite!!

huma replied:
Sorry nosey neighbor, but you'll be seeing the end of my gun if I catch you poking around my house! I'm not trying to be mean here, but I don't like people looking at other people's faults...and I'm not hiding anything either. People keep seeing the mote in their brother's eye and refuse to see the beam in their own eye.

People on this thread keep saying there were other options for this mother to discipline her daughter, but other than a time-out, I haven't heard anyone give any. As for the time-out, I suppose she could have had the child sit in a wet corner while she continued to wash the car, or she could have made the child stand with her nose touching the chemical covered wall, or had the child go somewhere...in a public place...outside of her line of view while washing the car...

The point is, she decided to spray the child with water. Heaven forbid she make the poor creature take a shower too!

Anyone who watched the video can see that the mother didn't just stand there spraying the child in the face. She was bent over, holding the girl by the arm, talking to her at face level, and every other few seconds would raise the water to spray. The girl wasn't knocked back by a high pressure setting, nor was the mother violently dragging the child around...she simply held the girl in place so she wouldn't squirm away. For the person that said the spot-free rinse setting (different from the wax, or tire, settings) would still hurt must be smoking something, because I guarantee it doesn't. I would challenge everyone to check it out for themselves. Also, on other pressure settings, it doesn't engage until you pull the handle, or else the water comes out at a much, much lower rate. Yes, you can also see the mist from the sprayer, but given the time of year, I can attribute that to steam in the cold air (and the water wouldn't even need to be that warm).

Like I have said, more than once, if the mother did use a high pressure setting, then I would agree it was abuse, and wrong. However, if it wasn't...and she said it wasn't...then I don't think it was wrong at all. The police may have gone back to the carwash, but I'm sure other people had used that carwash throughout the day, so the police would have no idea what setting the mother, herself, had used.

Insanemomof3 replied: Spraying a kid with a power hose is FAR different from the child taking a shower sheesh. omg this thread is getting crazy. It is child abuse no matter what. I am sorry but that is how I feel. You know what? If my child was throwing a fit in the car, I would simply ignore the fit before I would spray with a hose in a car wash. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

~Roo'sMama~ replied:
If you go back and re-read my post, you'll see that I suggested either a time out or a spanking. If it had been my child throwing a tantrum in the car, she probably would have gotten the spanking. I put time out in there too because I know a lot of people don't like to spank. A time out would be harder to do at a car wash than it is at home, but if I was against spanking (which I'm not) I would find a way. Spraying my child all over with water as punishment would be out of the question, no matter how light the water pressure was. I would never lash out at my child in such a childish manner. I want to teach my children to be obedient and respectful, and I could never accomplish that by setting the kind of example that woman is giving her kids. I don't want my kids to just be obedient because they're afraid of what crazy and hateful thing I'd do to them if they weren't.

huma replied:
This is the type of action that leads to children thinking its OK to throw a fit. If you let a child throw a fit without consequences, they'll just do it again and again. While you ignoring your child's fit in your own car doesn't affect me, it's parents ignoring their children's tantrums in public that gets me going! Seriously, how inconsiderate are these people!? I point them out to my 7yr. old, and explain to him how the parents are not being good parents...even he can understand. The fact that you would rather teach your children its OK to act up instead of getting them wet is beyond me...

Hillbilly Housewife replied:
Or, ignoring the fit will show them that it doesn't affect you and no matter how much they throw a fit, it won't get them what they want.

Ignoring a fit is better than doling out a negative consequence... because negative attention is worth it to the child as opposed to no attention at all.

It might be strange to compare "training a dog" to "training a child"... but in both cases, the key is consistency, and it is MUCH easier to reward good behaviour to reinforce it than it is to constantly be on their case about "bad behaviour".

Unless you catch the child in the act, much like a dog, spanking or other forms of corporal punishment have NO EFFECT....

In any case, what the mom did was wierd. I wouldn't necessarily go as far as to say it was abuse either, however, we don't know all the details... it may have been.

Crystalina replied: Uh...How about being and adult and ignore the bad behavior until you get home? That child was old enough to remember why she is being sent to her room or why she's getting her favorite game taken away. It doesn't work with toddlers because they can't remember what they're being punished for but this child could remember.

I can't believe people are arguing over what setting it was on. Are you serious?? The child was being hosed down in a flippin car wash. I don't care if the water was dripping out. It was being put on her in a humiliating manor. I'm not going to try and change anyone's mind. I'm just stating my opinion. If you want to hose your child down and demean them then go right ahead. Just don't do it where I can see you because you'd have to use your gun on me. Just call me Nosey Nelly.

huma replied: Many of you seem to be assuming that the child started throwing a tantrum in the car, upon which the mother decided to pull over to a carwash and hose the kid down...that doesn't seem to be the case. From my understanding, the mother went there to wash her car, and while there, the child threw a fit. Remember, we are the adults trying to teach our children correct and moral behaviors, not responding to what the child dictates. Why should the mother have to stop what she's doing, put the child in the car, drive home and then correct the child's behavior (you can wait to punish a child if they know in advance that upon arriving home they will receive consequences for bad behavior currently being had)?

Ignoring a fit...especially in public...is not the best way to go. I will agree, though, that sometimes ignoring a fit to get attention is the best way to deal with the situation. However, this was a public carwash, and letting the girl throw a fit would have impeded on the peace of others.

Crystalina - How is getting a child wet demeaning and humiliating? The mother wasn't hosing the child down in a public square, or forcing the child to walk down main street all wet, she simply got her point across to the child, took her wet clothes off, dried her with a towel, and put her into the car...what's demeaning and humilitating about that!?

Insanemomof3 replied: Something odd to me. Huma, are YOU the mother that sprayed her girl? Seems strange that this is the ONLY topic you seem to reply on. And in defense of what she supposedly did. Just a question.

mommy~to~a~bunch replied:
How many kids do you have huma? Does your husband agree with your "style" of parenting?

I can't believe you think what this mom did is OK!! What kind of person are you? Would you do this to your children? Have you done something this awful to your kids?

jcc64 replied: I'm thinking this thread has troll written all over it. Let's not dignify it, ladies.

:.Mrs_Mommy.: replied:
I think you're right.

Crystalina replied:
I'm not feeding it anymore.

Hillbilly Housewife replied:

We should have an emote for that.

Crystalina replied:
Not saying anyone's a troll, just sharing some funny smilies.

My2Beauties replied:
How would you like it if someone bigger than you hosed you down, then stripped you stark naked in front of a bunch of strangers, would that humiliate you?

huma replied: Enough. I'm the husband. A sane person. Perhaps. No, I have not sprayed my children in a carwash...however, I wouldn't rule it out. I also asked two of my sisters (who are both mothers) if they thought this mom's actions constituted child abuse...they both said 'no'.

PrairieMom replied:
yeah, cause its Never been done.

huma replied:
Whatever...

Hillbilly Housewife replied: Enough, children.

kimberley replied: i think we need to agree to disagree here.

as moms, we can be over-protective on subjects like this because we imagine this happening with our children and our immediate reaction is disgust and anger. understandably. but the fact remains that we do not know this family or the full details of what happened.

for everyone who said they would never discipline their child this way... does that mean you have NEVER lost control, even once, with your kids? of course not. we are human. we make mistakes. why are we judging this mom so harshly... just cuz it was caught on tape??

by today's standards, i am sure i would have been a foster kid cuz my mom was an authoritarian. she smoked. she never forced me to eat breakfast.. i was tiny til i was 10yrs old., she spanked and yelled and grounded etc etc., but was she a horrible mom? no, she just believed in rules and punishment. it's not like she beat me with a chain or put cigarettes out on me. would she do things differently now.. probably. but i have no lasting scars over a swat on the rear even though it is horribly frowned upon now.

and beyond that, men and women see and read things very differently. take what is said with a grain of salt and please, no name calling or rudeness.

My2Beauties replied:
For the record, as a mod I know this first hand, that people do come on this site, act as if they are parents, steal pics of other people's children etc......so yes this happens.