Iritated~Octo-mom

Crystalina wrote: I'm sitting here listening to Fox News. (dh watches it) They are talking about how 'Octo-mom' (apparently this woman has no name) was seen yesterday getting an $18 manicure and buying make-up that came up to $14. OMG! How dare she!! They had it figured out that with that money she could have bought a 350 count box of regular diapers or a certain number of Pampers brand (can't remember that number). First of all, $18 is NOTHING for a manicure. She must have only gotten her nails painted and $14 for make-up, what's that? A tube of lipstick? This woman just had 8 babies. She can't spend $32 on herself because the State is helping her support them? The cameras are on her nonstop, she may want to throw on some lipstick for goodness sake. I understand that she apparently has issues with looking like Angelina Jolie (I mean look at her) and that tax payers are supporting her kids. There are many things about this woman that I question WTH is she thinking but it's not like she went and got a make-over.

stella6979 replied: Sorry, but I have to disagree. Her kids should have every single penny spent on them and she should just have to go without painted nails. We are by no means as bad off as she is, but I haven't gotten an actual haircut in forever, cause I know that money needs to be spent elsewhere.

My2Beauties replied: I don't know I'm on the fence, as much as I do not like this woman's decision I know getting my nails done or buying a new tube of lipstick makes me feel like me, it makes me happy. A happy mom is a good mom, I live by that. I hope I don't sound spoiled but I like to feel good about myself and if I didn't I think it would come through in the way I acted at home around my family. It's just human nature to want to feel normal and good about yourself. After having a baby (just one baby) I longed for the days when I'd go get a pedi or a mani or my hair dyed and cut,it was my "me" time. After having 8 kids I'd long just to go sit on the toilet for 5 minutes so I know she needs some normal down time.

DVFlyer replied: ^ The difference in this case is the state is not paying for your manicure.

Hillbilly Housewife replied:
This made me snicker.


What's a manicure when she's gonna be mega rich in a few weeks anyway.

stella6979 replied:
I totally get that looking good makes you feel good, but when if it comes down to feeding my kids or looking good, the decision would be an easy one. And from what I read this morning (if it's true), this woman's home (or should I say Grandma's home) is in foreclosure so I think her time would be better spent looking for a place for her family to live instead of worrying about her make-up and nails. Or maybe she should give that money she spent on herself to maybe....I don't know....her Mom? Since she's the one who's been giving her a place to live all these years and helping raise those kids.

My2Beauties replied:
Well see I wasn't aware of all of this, if my home was in foreclosure and my bills were all past due the mani would definitely be the last thing on my mind. I guess I didn't realize how horrible the situation was.

Oh and Rocky you're totally right....which is sick to me because she'll be worth million soon I'm sure!

My2Beauties replied:
That mademe die laughing! LOL!

DVFlyer replied:

I'll be here all week... remember to tip your waitress.

Crystalina replied:
Yeah, I understand her priorities should lie elsewhere but wouldn't you want to throw on some lipstick (if you were a lipstick person) when you have every network news station up your rear. We don't see her out partying or going on a shopping spree.

coasterqueen replied:
ITA

I will say that the media must be bored, though. I know Bill O'Reilly (Fox News) is after her in a big way, and well, someone should be because the tax payers of Cali shouldn't have to pay for the decisions she's made. I know other media is after her too, but reporting on a manicure and pedicure??? Uh, may be a bit too silly for newsworthiness.

boyohboyohboy replied: Maybe she should shop on line now?!?!

stella6979 replied:
Honestly, if I had 8 sick babies and 6 more at home I wouldn't give a crap what I looked like for the media, but that's just me.
And I agree with Karen...the media must be totally bored. I mean, aren't there more important things going on in this Country they could report about?

My2Beauties replied:
Valid point too...maybe I need to re-think my original answer LOL! I guess I was just stating it you know like once the babies are well and at home you want a sense of normalcy and alone time, but right now I agree...lipstick and manis would be the last thing on my mind if my babies were at the hospital.

momofone replied: I agree the manicure is not necessary that money should go towards the kids.

Ps - Dr. Phil is doing a show about her today - it should be interesting.

Crystalina replied: I heard that it was not a manicure but that she was getting nails removed. That price would be about right. I know to get mine removed it costs $20.

Kaitlin'smom replied:
um you can remove them yourself for a lot less, they have the soloution in most major drugstores, or you can use dishsoap to help soften. heck all you need to do is get under one side and use something like a business card to slide under and keep working at it till it pops off.

My2Beauties replied:
I was gonna say a business card or a thin piece of cardboard works best, it hurts for a second but they pop right off!

luvbug00 replied: what this woman did is her business IMO. in a coupple weeks the lights and cameras will be gone and she will have to live with herself and her kids. She will save or spend the money she aquires. She put herself in the spotlight, enter scrutiney. the media is doing their job to be nosey and annoying. She thinks that by getting the media attention she will aquire some money and if that is what she has to do to raise her kids ( because let's be honest people, most 9-5's are not going to cover all those babies). Maybe she's just doing what she believes will help her survive and part of that means she will have to endure other people judgements.

boyohboyohboy replied:
I disagree at this point that it is "her business"

When it became apparent that she was getting assistance for the 6 kids she has, and is unable to provide a home for them herself. and she then on purpose got preg. with 8 more....and now the chances of their lives being normal, I am sure are decreased to due to the timing of their birth....it certainly is now someone else business..
to make sure these kids are fed, taken care of at the least..
IMO she deserves to lose all her kids now she has a few screws loose..
at the very minimum she needs a pysch eval.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
I agree, 100% with what Stacy said.

I have some really strong feelings (not so nice ones) on this, so I'll just *zip*!

Boo&BugsMom replied:
ITA with this too.

You also should mention the fact that she lied to the media to get people to think she didn't get any state aid because she "does it all herself". Whatever crazy lady.

luvbug00 replied: isn't the deal with IVF that you implant a said number of eggs and hope one takes? somtimes you end up with more then one taking.
The first time and secound she just wanted to raise her chances to get that one egg to take to a swimmer.
I don't believe she had any intention of all the eggs taking. Even after one time of that happening. I'm sure she thought it wouldn't happen again.
Do i think she should have had more kids if she was already on assisnance? problay not the best idea.
But i need more details about her life and finacial state before these 8 came along to make a good call on wither or not she should have given IVF another round.

mckayleesmom replied: I don't think she should have implanted ANY...especially if she wasn't 100% taking care of the ones she had already herself. If you can't feed the children you already have or take care of them yourself, you have no business getting pregnant..invitro or naturally.

Welfare is suppose to help you get on your feet when you are having problems and need it. Its not a way to plan to take care of your children indefinantly. When you are on Welfare you should not be planning to add more members to your family, you should be striving to get off welfare and then plan more children if you desire. If she can't take care of herself and children now without help, what made her think it was a brilliant idea to make it harder on herself and the rest of the people that have to pay for her genius idea?

luvmykids replied:
The details we have are already enough, she got a huge settlement from disability yet lives with her parents in a small three bedroom house with the six she already had....And IVF isn't free, so she can't support her kids but she can pay for that?

I think the thing to keep in mind is we're not dealing with a rational person here, so of course her decisions and choices don't make sense.

mckayleesmom replied:
Oh...and according to her own mother...She never told her mom that she got that settlement money and just let her mom and welfare go ahead and pay her way...What a nice daughter.

Kentuckychick replied: Okay... so I don't know if any of you know who Jeff Dunham is (Ventriliquist with Achmed the Dead Terrorist, Peanut, Walter) -- of "SILENCE! I keeel you!" fame. Well I saw him on Sunday night... and the guy before him "Guitar Guy" from his show... sang a song that's been in my head all day...

"Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, octupuhlet babies!"

MoonMama replied:
I LOVE Jeff Dunham!!!!

Nina J replied:
Whose business is it, then? Ours? I see so many people talking about her, like it is entertainment.

When it comes down to it, there are 8 newborns who need care. And everyone seems to think it is their business and they can have a say in it. If you think that, then send those kids some clothing or something that will help them out.

She is mentally ill. And IMO the heat she is recieving should be directed towards her doctor. She did not implant those eggs herself and her doctor should have had the sense not too. IMO, the person who helped her achieve this has exploited a mentally ill person. She needs help and I hope she recieves it.

Going on and on about it isn't going to change the fact there are 8 newborns in the world. Why take them from her? If she can recieve help, mentally and at home, then it can work. Why split up a family?

I don't know. It just makes me sick to see the media frenzy. She is a person. And everyone is acting like it is there business. It isn't. It is her business. If you think it is your business, then help her out. Help those kids. I hear people saying they won't give her money. But on her website, there is an address.

What is wrong with the world when we can treat our fellow human beings like they are just a piece of entertainment? It disgusts me even more when you consider the fact that this woman is in need of some mental help and all she is getting is world-wide ridicule. I wouldn't wish this upon anyone.

She doesn't deserve to be treated like a criminal for being mentally ill. And for having 8 babies. She didn't implant the eggs herself, did she? Someone did it for her, they should be the person being burnt by the tabloids and the strangers who think it is their business. In a year, no one will care. When it is old news, it will be no ones business. Which is sad for the children.

mckayleesmom replied:
I think you have valid points, but it doesn't change the fact that she made it everyones business when she decided to commit fraud imo. I personally think she knew exactly what she was doing when it was announced on tv that these babies were born. She must have had a waiver to sign in order for them to do the news broadcast with the doctors because if not..it would be a violation of the Hippa code. The only thing that she didn't plan was for people to be ticked off about it. I think she was under te impression that everyone would just embrase her stupidity and she would make lots of money on this intelligent idea of hers. Not only did she do her current children a huge diservice, but these new babies as well. She also probably threw that education she is working on right out the window, who is really going to trust a person in the child related field of work with their kids when she made such a bad choice in their own life regarding her own kids.

Do I think her kids need to be taken away....No, not unless she is deemed unfit to care for them physically and mentally. The tax payers have to pay for them now anyways unless she miraculously gets rich. I'm sure that even the most furious people regarding this situation given the choice to not pay her way or pay it would still give over money to feed those babies...its not their fault.

Do I think people should donate to the children....Sure, but no cash because she already recieved a bunch of money that could have fed her children and if you look at her before pictures and after ...she spent it on her face and making babies she couldn't care for. How long will cash last if she has already proven that she is recklace with it and she would probably go do invitro again.

Do I think she needs to be investigated as a stable person...Heck yes.

Do I think she needs to be investigated for fraud...Oh Yes....If she recieved that settlement money with disability...she should have had to report it to welfare. Instead


As for the doctor, you are right, he should be held responsible and fined. Also, he should have to pay those babies ways till they graduate from college imo.

coasterqueen replied:
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I do think she/the doctor made it everyone else's business (at least the citizens of her state) because they will be the one paying the hospital bills, etc with their HARD EARNED tax dollars. You know what? I'd LOVE to have more children if I could financially afford it and be stable, but I can't and won't do that to the family I already have. I'm SICK of paying for everyone else's actions because they don't think and use common sense. Now I know the woman must be mentally ill and so I'm not saying it's just her actions, it's the doctors as well. And IMO her parents too! Maybe I should just not have a care in the world and keep having children so the government can pay for them.

Crystalina replied: There's no defense for this woman anymore. I heard last night she's moving into a 1.1 million dollar home (maybe) and that when she was there she had an interview with a t.v. show.

Well, at least she won't have taxpayers paying any more.

Kaitlin'smom replied: from what I thought I hear is she had 6 implanted and 2 spilt resultingin the 8 babies, so while it does not sound like she had 8 implancted but still 6, my gosh what whoudl have happend if all of them split? I do think she is crazy and so was the doctor who had those 6 implanted. honestly makes me wonder who the 'daddy' really is....

Crystalina replied:
My sister and I have a theory: The doctor is the daddy and she was given discounts.

It's happened before.

DVFlyer replied:

The deal with IVF is that they implant more eggs than the desired number of babies with the disclaimer that ALL of them might split and you sign a form that lets the Dr's know, in that event, if you are open to keeping or removing the embryos you don't want.

Unless the Dr. is unethical or inept, ALL of the possibilities are spelled out to the patient.

Kaitlin'smom replied:
thats what I am thinking....there is more to this doc than we know

jcc64 replied: I agree with Nina, and the media feeding frenzy over this mentally ill woman is just repulsive.
I think someone should follow Blowhard O'Reilly around 24/7 and pass judgment on how he lives his life. He's devouring her story for ratings, but this is a real person, a sick person, with many sick babies depending upon her now. Is assembling a lynch mob because she got a haircut really necessary? Our entire economy is collapsing around us, and Fox News thinks a lipstick purchase is newsworthy? The whole thing makes me sick.

coasterqueen replied:
Jeanne,

Bill O'Reilly isn't the only one in this media frenzy. Why do you have such hatred towards Fox news for something that other media is doing as well? EVERY single time you reply to something about the news it's always a slam to Fox News? Are you ONLY watching Fox News or something? I just never understand your pure hatred for one news outlet when many do the same thing.

Cece00 replied: I dont think she should be getting her nails done or buying makeup.

SHE isnt paying for any of those things.

I could write a novel on how annoyed this woman and her irresponsilibty make me, but I will save it.

I will just say- she needs to be investigated for disability fraud. The govt has been screwed out of a lot of money and she used it to have children she can not properly care for, plastic surgery, and stupid crap like getting your nails done and buying makeup when she is perfectly capable of working.

Thank goodness for people who pay taxes. Who else would make sure the children of mothers like this would be (on some level) taken care of??

jcc64 replied:

Actually Karen, every other news outlet does not operate as Fox News does. Some, though not many, do actually make an effort toward impartiality, NPR being at the top of my list, mainly b/c it is not tied to the political inclinations of an owner, b/c it's not owned by anyone. Are they always successful, no, but Fox News is so ridiculously biased they should be on the Republican party's payroll (and probably are). I have no problem with their ideologically-driven approach, EXCEPT when it's misconstrued as fact, which it regularly is by many of its viewers. I believe they are heinously irresponsible and inflammatory and sensationalist and sometimes racist. MSNBC is a liberal love fest, and if I choose to watch that channel, I know that I am watching an ideologically-biased talk show, NOT news. I just wished people could make that same distinction with Fox.
You're right, I absolutely hate them with a passion, along with Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh in particular, who sees no irony in his penchant for continuously passing judgment on the lives of others despite his own personal history of being a lying, manipulative drug addict.

boyohboyohboy replied:
isnt NPR publically funded? like PBS? where 70% of their running costs come from public funds..meaning government?
I agree that fox is far right and are outspoken about it. I think is unbiased because they present facts in a moral light that most americans agree with..most americans dont believe liberal agenda.

I would say that fox's ratings prove that most of america prefers this type of mind set..
NPR is not unbiased as is any news really..

I think people get the idea that these companies are raising money with their fund raisers, but its really mainly paid for by government funding.

coasterqueen replied:
Fair enough Jeanne. I never said Fox news was not biased, I listen to them because they mirror my beliefs. I don't like others because they don't. Whether they are unbiased or not, doesn't make me want to set out to bash someone constantly and hate them so much. If you do hate them so much IGNORE them. Be the better person and stop constantly bashing them. I don't sit here and bash other news media, do I? Because I know there are people here who do watch it and that's their prerogative. Bashing Fox news and what they represent is also bashing the very same people who DO like to watch them for whatever reason. I just think conversations can be had on this board without constantly bashing someone/some thing.

Hillbilly Housewife replied: Ya know... what gets me the most - this woman is on disability... unable to work... um... I think a job, pretty much any job, is probably easier than carrying 8 babies while caring for 6 more children under 7 years old.

jcc64 replied:

Whose morality, b/c it certainly isn't mine or anyone else I know. And where are your statistics that "most americans agree with Fox's agenda? It's kind of dangerous to assume that your little corner of the world is representative of the entire population. I am fully cognizant of the fact that what people here in NY think is vastly different than what someone in the deep South or middle of the country believes, it's good to keep that in mind. And if it is indeed true that "most americans dont believe liberal agenda," how exactly do you explain the results of the last election? Ratings explain nothing more than Fox's ability to create great political theater, which I concede is an impressive quality of their's, though it doesn't mean it has anything at all to do with reality.
And Karen, I'm thrilled to have you back, I consider you one of my dearest friends here at PC, but these are my opinions and I'm entitled to express them whether or not they disturb you. I' have not suggested that you or any other Fox news fan is a bad person, I am simply criticizing what I consider to be their very damaging practices. A lot of opinions that get expressed around here deeply trouble me, and occasionally even leave me feeling wounded, but that is the nature of political discourse. Maybe you should avoid my politically-oriented posts, you should know by now what they're like. Either way, you'll always be my buddy and I'm sorry you're upset with my posts.

MommyToAshley replied: This is a little off-topic from the original post, but I don't think any media is unbiased these days. Most media is left-leaning, and I do believe that Fox tends to lean to the right. However, when you have a news "talk" show, such as O'Reilly, Larry King, etc, then you have to expect that the host is going to weigh in on their opinion.. the format is meant to allow for opinion. However, the problem is when newscasters present the news and inflict their opinion... the news should be just that, the facts.

With that said, on a personal note, I don't care for O'Reilly as much as I did when I first started watching the show. I still watch his show, but I don't care for it as much as I did a few years back. And, I don't like Hannity either (I never liked the way Hannity shouts over people), but overall I do like Fox. I miss Tony Snow... I LOVED Tony Snow. I also liked Paula Zahn when she was on Fox. I do watch other news stations, and like I said, there isn't one out there that isn't biased one way or another and this was VERY evident during the election.

jcc64 replied: What's up with Tony Snow, Dee Dee? I know he has/had cancer; did he pass away or just stop working? In terms of conservative commentary, I really admire George Will--he's whip smart, measured, articulate, and restrained. I wish he made more appearances, I'd love to hear the conservative viewpoint without all the moralizing.

coasterqueen replied:
Thanks. I'm not upset about your posts. I guess I just read over and over about how much you despise Fox, Bush, etc, etc and I feel terrible that you have that much hatred for something/someone. Just a friendly concern and wanting to understand.

boyohboyohboy replied:
I believe that the last election was won because most people are scared and tired of the way things are and want to try something new..want hope for something new..and frankly want to grasp at any straw that might help them where they need it, right in their own homes.. not because it was one political party or the other..

most people who even voted for Bush before felt that it was time to change things..whether Obama can or cant do it, remains to be seen..but I truely do not believe that it had anything to do with politcal party lines.

also ratings do represent a large majority, where else do they come from?
and we are not southern or middle america, so I am not sure if that was a slight as in if you are from the south you are not smart enough to actually have an opinion.
I watch fox news, however I also watch cnn, msnbc, and other shows.
I totally agree that who ever is hosting a show will most likely present a story in their own light...
but I agree your hostility is really out there....at least on this one news program... the OP was making a comment as to what more then just fox is reporting..I have watched in the "not so news" shows also..I think people are just hurting right now from lack of funds in all types of economic backgrounds and seeing someone like her getting help when she maybe abusing it..just isnt fair..and it makes people mad. and it makes people mad to think that those little babies might not get the care they need...in this case with all the publicity I do not think that those babies are going to be left to be harmed..to many people know about them..and the facination of them probably does mean that they are going to get some money..I hope so, if anyone needs it, its those 14 kids, who are going to need more help them the average kid.
in this case bringing light to a situation I think was good, other wise would these kids have fallen thru the cracks in an already struggling over stressed system..

I also wanted to say, that i enjoy reading your take on a lot of the politcal posts..I am just not sure why the anger??

jcc64 replied: I really don't think a lot of people in this country understand how close to a complete economic collapse we really are. So it terrifies and infuriates me that Fox feels a crazy woman's lipstick purchase is even worth discussing. The total irony here is that I'm being accused of being irrationally angry, when I'd say that is the standard modus operandi of Fox News itself 80% of the time. Someone's always ranting and raving on that channel, at least every time I've watched it. The only difference between Fox and myself is who we're angry at.
Ratings represent numbers alone. A lot of people smoke, that doesn't mean it's good for them. A lot of people have crappy diets, that doesn't suddenly make junk food nutritious. Just because Fox enjoys high ratings doesn't mean it's responsible journalism. If you want to watch Fox, have at it.
What I'd most like to respond to is your misinterpretation of my latest thread, Stacy. I was NOT suggesting that Southern people are ignorant, and I have no idea how you got that impression. I was simply pointing out a demographic reality: people in different parts of the country have different socio-political perspectives. It very well may well seem like "everyone" thinks as you do, because in your town, that may be true. I can assure you that's not the case where I live.That's what the whole "red state/blue state" thing is about. It's not a judgment call, it's a fact.

MommyToAshley replied:
He left Fox when he went to work as the Press Secretary under Bush. When he found out he had colon cancer he retired to spend more time with his family. He passed away last summer. I saw him as a guest commentator on CNN a few times before he passed.

boyohboyohboy replied:
I do agree that the shows that I do watch, Glenn Beck, and those like, are usually full of a lot of yelling and anger.

I also totally agree that there are many more things to talk about then the tube of lipstick..I think the fate of our country is really scarey, and I guess I am just glad that there are topics like this to take my mind off it from time to time..although this one kinda got off topic..

coasterqueen replied: I agreed from the start that reporting about lipstick/nails was obsurd. I also think we were talking about Bill O'Reilly and his show is not just a news show, it's based strongly on his opinions. Just like talk shows, etc, etc. Does anyone really report the news unbiased? No. Is all news stations just about news? No. I recall watching CNN or one of those and they were reporting on fashion. Is that really NEWS worthy? No, but do you expect them to talk about the news 24/7? No. I believe that all "news" stations report about stupid things from time to time. Why? Because the public wants to hear ALL. That is the society we have become.

As far as red state/blue state - I think that's too big of a generalization there. New York may be totally a blue state where almost all have liberal views, but that is New York. I can guaranty that is not the issue (IMO) for IL. IL is a blue state because of Chicago and pretty much Chicago only. A majority of the rest of the state is RED, but because of our beloved Chicago we will always be blue. So for my state I'd use that term loosely.

jcc64 replied: Actually Karen, NY is not uniformly blue, either. Ideologically, just 20 miles from where I live you'd swear you were in another part of the country. The upstate/downstate divide is a big component of NY politics. The senator just appointed to Hillary Clinton's seat, though a Democrat, is an "upstater," with strong ties to the NRA, and there are a lot of people here that are furious about the choice. I think the governor was trying to give a voice to the often forgotten part of the state, which truth be told, does get overshadowed by big, bad New York most of the time.

coasterqueen replied:
Yeah, we have the same thing here. Ryan and I swear we need to go live in a "red" state because Chicago overshadows us BIG TIME all the time. Probably always will.