Happy inaguration day!
PrairieMom wrote: I'm just ready for the whole thing to be over. anyone going to watch?
I am recording it on DVR and will watch tonight with DH. I am so bummed that the entire media is in the middle of a hue obamagasam tho. really, how much coverage do we need? I hate it when my regular programing is messed around with. 
I'm just goad I'm not there IRL. you couldn't pay me enough to go, that crowd, and not enough porta potties, I wonder if they have food vendors like at the fair? Can you eat a funnel cake and watch O get sworn in? 
Mommy2Isabella replied:  You are hillarious!
DH is watching it at work. His jobs deals with the government so ... they are watching!! I might watch it after the kids go down for a nap, which is right around that time right? It seems that it is on EVERY CHANNEL all DAY!!
TheOaf66 replied: oh darn I don't get it at work, I guess I will have to miss a lot of talking 
PrairieMom replied:
thats why I am recording it. Blah blah blah, fast forward... blah blah blah fast forward... Should cut 20 hours of continuous coverage down to about 20 minutes.
lisar replied:
that is so true.
A&A'smommy replied: awesome........not really 
PrairieMom replied: okay, so I was poking around and read that there are going to be 700 vendors along the parade route and along the Mall its self, not all having food, some are selling t-shirts and stuff. So, there are approximately a bazillion people there, and 700 vendors? oh, and one porta poty for every 6 thousand people. ( give or take LOL ) That whole place has got to be a endless series of intertwining lines. Nope. not for me. nope nope nope.
MommyToAshley replied: I am watching the coverage on and off as I work today, but I will stop to watch his speech and watch him being sworn in. However, that place has to be a security nightmare -- I pray that everything goes smoothly today.
TheOaf66 replied:
I am not interested in seein any of it so glad I am workin
Danalana replied: Oh Tara...you KNOW I can't wait
I figured, as much as the nation seems to have fallen in love with him, they'd all be at least tuning in...or maybe AT the inauguration, wearing their "I heart Obama" t-shirts. Stunningly, lots of people have already lost interest 
BAC'sMom replied: No way I would be attending Obamastock... too much chaos for me! But a funnel cake does sound good! 
punkeemunkee'smom replied: YUM funnel cake!!! I grew up in DC and for those who do not know the amount of space that is covered by shoulder to shoulder people right now is INSANE!!!!! You could not pay me enough to be with in 100 miles of there right now! 
punkeemunkee'smom replied: O and Tara...It was supposed to be a potty for every 6,000 I heard on the news a week or so ago it was actually going to be one for every 12,000+!!!
lisar replied:
Obamastock
I LOVE THAT!!!!!
Danalana replied: I guess there'll be a lot of people peeing on themselves, based on the potties available.
Danalana replied: I must say, it is really neat seeing the former presidents walk in  I don't know why I'm almost crying. Oh yeah...pregnancy!
I didn't know George Bush (the father) was the youngest aviator in WWII...very cool! AND he plans to skydive again for his next birthday  I'm impressed.
Mommy2Isabella replied: I wish I was more interested. Cause like it or not, he is our new President. Our Pastor at church said it best, "Wether you voted for him or not, please don't say, you are waiting for him to mess up, that is the last thing we need. We should all just be praying for our country and the new President," So, that my friends is what I am doing!
Though I didn't vote, I know its horrible I should be stoned!! I guess I feel that my vote doesn't count. Its a majority thing ... and in my state the majority is ALWAYS Republica ... so if I voted Republican WOO HOO, so did everyone else. And if I voted Democratic, well, too bad so sad, me and only 10 other people did, so what does it matter? BOO !!!
OFF MY SOAP BOX!!
HAPPY DAY!! Im watching movies on demand, I may watch some of it later
luvmykids replied: I just had a funnel cake at the stock show, it was GOOOOOD!
luvmykids replied:
I agree with that 100%.
I had wondered why inaugeration was going to cost $150 mil, I guess porta potty rates have gone up
Danalana replied: Jessica, I agree! I am so proud that we have a black president...that is amazing and a wonderful historic moment. I just have had the worst feeling about it all, and I am praying for whatever it is. Whether republican or democrat, we are all americans, andwe should respect the office of president. I was a little disappointed that the crowd was silent when George HW Bush walked out...they ALL deserve respect.
Kentuckychick replied:
I think people were a little taken by surprise... they didn't announce it very loudly and from what I just saw when Obama walked out... half the people waaaaaay in the back can't hear or see anything at all and don't even know what's going on until the wave of applause reaches them (lol).
I think it's all pretty amazing. I just like seeing so many people in our nation joined together again. We've been a divided nation for so long... it's time for that to end.
My uncles sister in law made a statement the other day that she still had hopes that something would happen to keep the inaguration from going on. My jaw just dropped. I couldn't believe that after all this time and in this political climate anyone would say something like that. Her reasoning is that she's "anti-abortion" and he's not. I have no words for that.
I just really hope that the next four years can bring Americans together and bring us a new hope.
And as one of the thousands of people laid off from my job last week I NEED something to hope for.
Mommy2Isabella replied: Dana, I agree! They all do deserve respect!!
It isn't easy running a country. Especially one where there are people around every corner waiting for you to fail! All I can say is I DO NOT WANT HIM TO FAIL!!
We can't afford that as a country!
BOO enoug politcal talk! Back to the toilet issue... its cold there as well, maybe there pee will freeze ... that wouldn't be as bad as being wet ... I suppose!!
Danalana replied:
But try to imagine...if you believed abortion was murder and the incoming president supported it--even in very late pregnancy--you wouldn't be excited either. I can see her point, for sure. BUT, change is inevitable...it's a new day. Change can be a great thing, and I pray that it is.
Kentuckychick replied:
Absolutely I can see her point in not wishing to have a president who agrees with abortion... I'm not all about abortion either. It's the clear statement that she wished him harm that disturbed me.
She's made other statements too... and her seven children go around spouting anti-abortion rhetoric that's untrue.
It's a lot of things... I just was shocked to hear someone actually state that a man's harm would be better than giving him a chance to prove himself.
Danalana replied: I understand that. I definitely wish him no harm! There are a lot of dummies (racists) who do wish him harm, and I pray protection for him.
PrairieMom replied:
Just an interesting tidbit, its not the actual ceremony that makes the new guy president. Its law that he will become president at 12:00 noon on inauguration day, no matter what. So... unless she can stop time...
and Jessica, I think being in frozen pee pants would be way worse than wet. But, that's JMHO.
Either way, I don't have to worry about it, at home here I have one potty for every potty trained person, and I am off to surf the net for a funnel cake recipe. 
AlexsPajamaMama replied:
Kentuckychick replied:
Now I want funnel cake
Danalana replied: I'm HUNGRY!!
Mommy2Isabella replied: Isn't funnel cake, fried pancake batter just kind squirted into the oil? Thats what I thought anyway, let me know, I have been craving pancakes like CRAZY and now funnel cake sounds TREMENDOUSLY DELICIOUS!!!
My2Beauties replied: I am not getting to watch it, they do have 3 designated areas here at work for people to watch it but I'm so busy I figured I'll pass and catch it tonight, you know CNN and the news and every other channel in the world will have it on, tidbits of it at least, I do want to hear his speech. I'm craving a funnel cake now too, thanks guys. A girl here at work went today so I'm anxious to hear how it was, as much as I support Obama, I'll support him here at home, you couldn't pay me to be in that mess.
Kentuckychick replied:
They're really easy to make. Google "Funnel cake recipes" -- there are a kabillion.
Hillbilly Housewife replied:
DITTO.
And I'm not even American.
The entire staff in the department I work in, went to the exec's boardroom to watch it on tv.
I told my boss I didn't have the time to waste this afternoon to watch tv. (As i'm typing on pc... )
Celestrina replied: Ideally, yes I would have loved to have been there. Realistically, forget it. Being in that crowd would be a nightmare for me. Between the limited port-a-pots, the clausterphobia (sp?), weather (below freezing), and traffic, I think I'll stay home. Granted, DC has a very good public transformation system but there is no way it can handle that many people.
TheOaf66 replied:
well Rocky I am American and have time to watch but I don't want to because I just don't care. I am going to wait until he is actually in office before I pay attention to what he is doing.
Calimama replied: Yep I'm watching it so is DH at work!
jcc64 replied:
So much for the sanctity of life.
Danalana replied: When I first read this, I didn't realize she meant she wished something would happen to him. Sad. And yes, Jeanne...so much for the sanctity of life--on most counts!
lovemy2 replied: I generally don't respond much to "political" threads and this is totally IMO but I can understand people not watching because they are at work and don't have the opportunity and certainly I can understand that watching alllll day long is a but out of hand and I definately wouldn't have wanted to be there - I can't imagine the line for those funnel cakes BUT I do feel that as Americans we have the responsibility to support the person we as Americans voted into the office - and whether or not you actually cast a vote for him we are a country unanimously voted him in - that being said I have a very hard time listening to people "bash" Bush or any other past or current president for that matter - all I can think is how Monday Morning Quarterbackish it is - do we as honestly "lay" people really think we could do better - I am truly think there are very few people in this country who have ANY idea what it takes and the enourmous amount of responsibility it is to RUN A COUNTRY - heck I mess up just running my household - so with that simple view in mind - I watched Barack Obama be sworn in and I pray and hope that he will do his best to make the best decisions possible for the most people - you can't please everyone all the time - I can't usually please the other three people in my house - can't imagine trying to please zillions and zillions of people - and my greatest fear in life is that someday in my lifetime even NOBODY will WANT to run for President because of the responsibility involved and where honestly would we be then?
And that my PC friends is probably one of the VERY few responses to a political post I will give
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HuskerMom replied: I didn't watch any of it today, and even though I didn't vote for Obama I do wish him the best.
Danalana replied:
VERY well said! No president will EVER make everybody happy...it just won't happen.
MommyToAshley replied:
Well, I think you should reply to more of them.
I agree, whether or not we voted for the person that has been elected into office, we should all respect the office and want that person to succeed. We are a great nation, but we have a lot to learn as well. We have become more and more divided and it seems that the people in the party opposite the party of the elected President are sitting on the edge of their seats just waiting for the President to make a mistake so they can exploit it for political gain. We should want our elected officials to come together and create policy that will better our Nation... not hope for the opportunity to point out another weakness for future gain.
Even with that said about our faults, I still think we are a great Nation. I believe that we have a knack for electing the President that is best for our country at the particular moment in time. I said it before, I may not agree with 100% of Obama's policies, but I think Obama is what our country needs at this moment at this time as a statement of equal opportunity for all. I think our country needs this hope right now above all else. I believe it to be true for Reagan and the Berlin wall. And, yes, I believe it to be true with George W. Bush and the events of 9-11. Bush may have a low approval rating right now, but he had the highest approval rating of any President after 9-11. He was able to bring the country together and unite them in a way that I am not sure any other President could have done. I also happen to be thankful that we haven't had another attack on American soil since 9-11. I am sure that was not an easy task. And, I do believe that Bush is not getting full credit because there are probably many attempted attacks and decisions that were made that can not be disclosed at this time for security reasons. Some of the policies enacted may have been unpopular, but I honestly believe that they were there to protect us and not infringe on our rights. He's also getting a bum wrap on the economy -- yes we have high deficits right now, but I am sure if it hadn't been for 9-11 and the Iraq war, along with all the natural disasters we've endured during his presidency, then the economy may have been different. George W Bush may not be the most popular President when he leaves office, but I think he was the President we needed at the time. I also happen to think that he had the best interest of the American people at heart and he held the highest respect for the office of the Presidency. I am not saying that I agree with every policy, but I am saying that I believe he is what our country needed at the time and I hate to see people disrespect him as he is leaving office. I think he has been nothing but gracious in the face of all this criticism.
Danalana replied: Dee Dee, that was awesome! I agree 100%. I applaud him for taking on the task of protecting and serving this nation. And I respect that he was unwavering in standing for things that many of us still find important. I applaud Obama as well, and I do not want him to fail.
jcc64 replied: I thought some of the posts here have been very generous and measured, and I hesitated to post at all b/c I don't want to turn what has been a very civilized conversation into yet another partisan debate. Yet I do need to remind people that bad behavior often comes from bitterness, hopelessness, and anger; and many people in this country are rightfully furious over the condition that Bush has left this country in. I believe a big part of graciousness is accountability and humility, neither of which I saw exhibited by Bush in any of his exit interviews. I don't believe he acted in the best interest of this country much of the time- he devoted himself to the narrow agenda of a very small group of neo-conservatives and satisfied the gluttonous, insatiable appetites of big business. He was elected to represent the entire country, not just his base, yet he governed as if the rest of us didn't even exist. He turned his back on the middle class, and the poor weren't even on his radar screen. He dropped the ball during Hurricane Katrina, started two wars, eroded the Constitution, turned a budget surplus into an incomprehensibly huge deficit that will take generations to recover from, if at all, attempted to privatize social security (can you imagine where we would be if that had been allowed to happen before the Wall St collapse??), assaulted the environment at every opportunity, sanctioned torture, and turned his back on returning veterans who fought in the wars he instigated. I can find nothing good to say about him. Even 9-11, what specifically did he do that any other president wouldn't also have done? His approval rating was high post 9-11 b/c we as a nation understood that we needed to pull together against an outside enemy, not b/c he did anything so extraordinary. He never even finished executing the war in Afghanistan--his official response to 9-11, b/c he was in such a rush to take on Iraq. God, I could type all morning about the mess he's made.
I've been angry, seething actually, for a very long time over the policies of this administration. I have felt like an alien in my own country, and that's an awful feeling. I don't think it's dignified to cat call the outgoing President, but neither do I believe he commands or deserves my respect simply b/c he held the job. His presidency was catastrophic, imo, and I think history will bear that out. People have a right to be angry about that.
luvmykids replied: Well said, Dee Dee. I too believe personal feelings aside the office of President demands respect, period. I don't like Obama but do respect the fact that he IS our president.
I still say walk a mile in someone elses shoes....for better or worse, I do understand that as an ordinary citizen I don't begin to have the knowledge to make the decisions required of our President, nor do I have access to every bit of information that those decisions are based on.
MommyToAshley replied: Jeanne, I know you have very strond feelings and I will not even attempt to debate the issues as I would just be repeating what I've said. We can agree to disagree. It will be interesting to see if history will be kinder to Bush as time goes by and the circumstances regarding his decisions during his presidency become de-classified.
And, yes, I think that we as Americans should act respectfully to our elected leaders whether we agree with them or not. If Corey didn't like the way her teacher taught a lesson in school, would you allow her to be disrespectful to the teacher? How can we expect our children to show respect if we are not held to the same code? It doesn't mean you can't be angry, or you can't disagree with their policies, or you can't voice your opinion at the appropriate time and forum, but our leaders -whom we elected and chose to lead us- should be shown a certain level of respect.
MommyToAshley replied:
I agree with you. And, to be honest, it is not a job I personally would want. Some of the perks would be nice, but that is a lot of responsibility to weigh on one's shoulders.
Danalana replied: I don't understand a lot of what you said, Jeanne. I live in this country--middle class, and I have never felt like an alien. many many people around me supported him and they are all middle-class. It's not like any of us are big business around here. I just hope that Obama, seen by so many as the coming Messiah, doesn't make some decisions everyone doesn't agree with and ends up being treated the way people have treated Bush. Carter's administration was seen as a catastrophe by MANY, but he is still treated with much respect. That's the way it should be.
lovemy2 replied:
Jeanne - not in ANY way directed toward you personally but I am asking you because you posted the above and I am assuming you are a democrat and FOR Obama (again - I don't read or post very often in these political posts so am not really sure what your stance is) will you feel the same way about Obama on his way out IF he in fact "screws" up? Say he gives all he has to help the african american population gain forward momentum in this world and that is who he bases his decisions on and for - will you have such ill feelings for him as you do for Bush? And I have to ask - are these your PERCEPTIONS of the decisions Bush made based on your political beliefs and how you would like to see the world run or do you have some first hand knowledge of how and why the decisions he made were made?
Again - I am not attacking you personally - I have a pretty simple mind when it comes to politics so I am more or less trying to understand - when I hear or see someone with such strong views on a subject - any subject really not just politics I really like to hear what it is that has made them feel so strongly about something - if its based on actual knowledge, perception or a feeling that they have been wronged somehow and need to place blame for something - none of which may apply to you....I do look forward to your response and probably won't respond again to it not for any reason than I have a feeling I won't agree with what I read and as Dee Dee said - agree to disagree at that point!
A&A'smommy replied: btw I just saw some really cool pictures from the air from a med helicopter that morning!!!
Hillbilly Housewife replied: Political decisions aside... my personal reason for having been so against Bush was his complete lack of charisma, blatant idiocy during speeches - as in, neverending fumbling of words, his look of dumbfoundedness (sp) when someone asked a question he didn't have the answer to on the teleprompt, his constant redundancy, and his obvious inability to think on his own - which brings us back to the teleprompter... if he didn't have the words written for him, scrolling by as he read them, which he'd screw up anyway as he read them, he'd throw together something about having to fight terror and look proud until people clapped.
As far as political decisions, nobody really believes that ONE MAN makes all the decisions, do they? It's pure bureaucracy, no matter how republican or democrat the surroundings are.. there are levels and levels of strategic planning, revision committees, research groups... yes, of course he's got the final authority.. but he can't just decide to do something and do it, just like he can't just nix some ongoing project because he doesn't think it's good. If that was the case, promises made during the electoral period could be actually kept rather than tossed aside with a poor excuse, and we all know that a fair share of promises have been broken.
From a canadian perspective, it's been stated in our news that Bush has had the highest dissaproval rate among the public since Nixon. I can believe it.... you have no idea of the amount of jokes made at his expense when you cross the border. Just this morning there were songs on the radio played with clips from his speeches mixed into the songs.. hilarious stuff. He's bankrupted EVERY SINGLE ONE of the companies he previously owned.. and look at what a sad sad state he left THIS "company" in...I hate to say it, but Bush has been one of our biggest running jokes these past 8 years, and i sincerely hope that Obama can help the US get back on it's feet, and back on top in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Go Obama, I wish you the best.
A&A'smommy replied: I'm just going to keep my mouth shut on the whole Canada thing..
redchief replied: I hope the best for our country. I hope President Obama weighs his decisions carefully as he sets new policies. I'm glad the country in general feels more whole with Obama's election. I fear that we are heading down a socialist path that we can't afford, but time will tell. I hope that a left leaning Washington doesn't simply rubber stamp the new president's agenda, and that they work together to do what's best for all of us.
Finally, and I'm not a huge fan of much of the way our outgoing president handled things. He showed remarkable insensitivity at times, regardless of whether or not he was actually right. I'm middle class as well and I don't feel worse off than I did before the Bush presidency, but that's a very personal reflection and everyone has their own valid opinion. I do think that history will be kinder to former President Bush, especially when the rhetoric (and it's still flying fast and furious) is sorted out and the pieces all fall into place.
That being said, I hope that President Obama has miraculous insights to flash improve all those who are expecting just that. Otherwise he's got a tough road to hoe. I'm praying for him to succeed, though not in the ways that many measure success.
Danalana replied: I give you that Bush wasn't a good speaker...that is very true.
How many Presidents, since Nixon, had something on such a grand scale to deal with as Bush did? For the most part, they just flew around and had dinner with other world leaders. I know there was the Gulf War and Bosnia...but if you look at everything that happened during Bush's presidency, it would have been hard for ANY president to keep us out of huge debt. Again, not saying I agree with everything. It would be easy for other candidates to say what they would have done differently, because they didn't have to do it. Any of us can do that. I just wish that we, as a people, showed more respect to our leaders. When you tear down people with your words, it doesn't help one bit.
AND...yada yada yada...none of it matters now.
I'm thinking of jumping on the activist/protest bandwagon next. I've been docile for far too long. "The price of bananas is HOW high?!? We won't stand for it!!" LOL, I wish a couple of my friends were on this board...they're just a protest waiting to happen.
jcc64 replied:
To answer your question directly--my opinions are based on A LOT of reading from a large variety of news sources I trust. I am a very skeptical consumer of the media-- I continually question the agendas of the sources of my information before I believe any of it, and I would encourage everyone to do the same. I don't throw misinformation around casually, and I don't form opinions unless I have some reasonable evidence to support them.
I don't feel that I have been "wronged" personally, though as a citizen of this country, I think we have all been wronged. I think people who've lost their lives as a result of our decision to go to war in Iraq for dubious reasons have been wronged. I think that people who can't afford health care have been wronged. I think people in New Orleans have been wronged. I think the planet has been wronged. I could go on and on. This isn't about my own personal circumstances. This is about my vision of what this country is all about, or should be all about. My perception is not THE reality, but it's mine, the only one I've got.
lovemy2 replied:
Gotcha -
Ed - I too have not been affected by this horrible economy nor has anyone in my immediate family and/or friends - I nor my husband are in any danger of losing our jobs, my mother although her bottom line has dropped has not been subject to any loss of income, blah blah - I am too far from retirement to worry too much about my 401K right now - my kids are too far away from college to worry too much about their 529 - does that mean I don't care about it - nope - I know it is affecting me in some ways some worse than others....but I also know that there are certain circumstances where you "are what you eat" so to speak if that makes any sense at all - circumstances are what you make them at times....not always I am not that stupid but when you are down - pull yourself up by your bootstraps and do something about it -
Dana - you are sooo right - Bush dealt with things in his presidency that were unprecidented - good god when was the last time someone flew planes INTO FREAKIN BUILDINGS and really what would the American people have said if he DIDN"T do something? I can only imagine - and as for the war I agree it has probably gone on longer than ncessary but ask MOST of those serving in the military - ask Denise bellasmommy - Denise help me out here - chime in - doesn't your husband see WHY they are there - isn't there a WHOLE lot that we don't know as opposed to what those that ARE there know?
Who knows we can talk and point out and point at and point too all day and night - bottom line in my mind is BUSH didn't single handedly put us where we are - WE as Americans and consumers and parents who spoil their children and use credit cards more than we should, etc. etc. have had a hand in it so it isn't fair to blame Bush anymore than it is fair for us to EXPECT Obama to fix it all - WE have to help and that starts with having some faith and saying alot of prayers
lovemy2 replied: BTW - kudos to all of us (so far anyway) who have participated here - it remains quite civil
Hillbilly Housewife replied: Hrmmm... maybe we should have a PC-Give-Up-month or something... where each of us gives something up - something we all have in common, or similar, anyway... that could help "the world" somewhat.
Like - let's-all-have-beans-tonight-for-supper-night to do our part in adding a vegetarian meal to help 1) with food costs and 2) with meat sources
Then we can all fart together. 
Calimama replied:
My husband is thrilled to be going back. He is hesitant on why we entered, but he understands why we stayed. That country is in such a different place than it was 3 years ago, it's amazing. I can't say whether or not it's our place to "interfere" and "fix" other countries.. but IMO we def. bettered this one. The troops did what they were told to do, and they did it well (although we're not done.. yet)
And while I don't agree with every policy former President Bush upheld, talk to someone whose walked down the street in Iraq and ask them how many people they've had thank them. Despite what the news shows every night, a lot of the Iraqi's are very thankful for what Bush did. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying maybe something good came from a crappy situation.
I always wonder if Bush would do it again if he had the chance to "re-do" his term. Obviously we'll never know but it's an interesting thought.
Oh and to answer the other question Christine, oh yeah there is a ton we as the public don't know. DH included. There's a lot I wonder about, but I keep to myself. Maybe one day when we're 100 and this war is far past us, he'll answer those questions for me.
A&A'smommy replied:
My best friends husband is the SAME way, he actually likes it over there and has made a VERY good Iraqi friend who is teaching him arabic and he LOVES it (and hates it all at the same time because he is away from his wife), and is thrilled to see the the changes that has happened even since he was over there in 2006.
Calimama replied:
It's sooo hard to learn. My DH is teaching Miabella. She picks up words quicker than me. That's not saying much about my intelligence level is it?
Danalana replied: Denise, I was reading what you said about wondering if President Bush would have done the same thing if given the same opportunity. I believe he would have. It was a hard decision to make, in the face of a lot of angry people who didn't understand everything, but he made it anyway. That is one of the things I respect most about him. He did what he believed to be right. He could have started blasting immediately, but instead he planned it out...cutting off money supplies and tracking terrorists. I believe that is respectable.
luvmykids replied:
I think that's a great thing to keep in mind for both sides on any topic....every psychologist in the world will tell you perception IS reality. No matter what any one persons perception is, it is real to them.
Hillbilly Housewife replied: But Dana, he doesn't even remember what he did about the 9/11. I mean...
he was told about the 2nd plane in a classroom full of kids.
But in a speech he gave, he said he remembers watching the 1st plane hit the building! NOBODY saw it on tv!
Anyway, I digress. I'm sure the military counsel would have told whatever president to do the same thing.
Danalana replied: Rocky, did you actually hear that speech? Or did you just read about it? Just curious cause I never heard it.
Hillbilly Housewife replied:
I saw clips of it, yes.
Here, see for yourself.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60&feature=related
Danalana replied: I don't know why I never saw any of that. I'm confused. I wonder if he meant he saw the second one...
MommyToAshley replied: Not that it really matters, but he may have been priveledge to video of 9-11 that the rest of us haven't seen. Or, it could have been just a slip up?
lovemy2 replied:
I wonder though - do you remember every part of the most stressful situations you have been in in your life? And to be honest I would be hard pressed to find someone who has been in a situation quite as stressful as that - I mean - it wasn't just spilt milk - Bush certainly wasn't well spoken but that doesn't mean he isn't smart - some of the most intelligent people in the world (and that I have ever met) don't even know to take a shower every day.....
Anyway - bottom line - being the President is no walk in the park and no matter who you are or what the situation you are going to make decisions that are not popular with everyone - but there are checks and balances - we just hope they work - look at what Obama has done so far - closing Gitmo in one year - do YOU want one of those guys being held there living next door to you?
Rocky - do you know as much about Canadian Gov't as you do about ours? Just wondering - you are pretty well versed - or are you a wannabe - you know wannabe one of us....!!!!
lovemy2 replied:
I wonder though - do you remember every part of the most stressful situations you have been in in your life? And to be honest I would be hard pressed to find someone who has been in a situation quite as stressful as that - I mean - it wasn't just spilt milk - Bush certainly wasn't well spoken but that doesn't mean he isn't smart - some of the most intelligent people in the world (and that I have ever met) don't even know to take a shower every day.....
Anyway - bottom line - being the President is no walk in the park and no matter who you are or what the situation you are going to make decisions that are not popular with everyone - but there are checks and balances - we just hope they work - look at what Obama has done so far - closing Gitmo in one year - do YOU want one of those guys being held there living next door to you?
Rocky - do you know as much about Canadian Gov't as you do about ours? Just wondering - you are pretty well versed - or are you a wannabe - you know wannabe one of us....!!!!
redchief replied:
Just to clear up on this, and the elementary school administration backs this up, Bush was informed of the first crash as he arrived at the school. Officials at the school had the television tuned to the news where they had broken into regular programming (most of which were already news programs at that hour) and started broadcasting. So Bush had been informed of the first plane crash. Of course no one saw that video until the next day, and the conspiracy theorists, silly idiots that they are, had a field day.
I spent the first hours after the second plane crash in emergency management meetings teleconferenced across the state. The day is fuzzy for me, so it's not hard to imagine how Bush's recollection of the events of that morning could be a little smokey. Let's not forget that he was whisked from that classroom into AF1 and flew for hours as he and his staff tried to get a handle on what was happening and to what extent.
Hillbilly Housewife replied: Whether he was informed of it prior to hearing about the 2nd crash or not - he still said it, broadcasted, in front of an audience, in front of television viewers.. and yeah I can completely understand memories being fuzzy etc.. but come ON. A leader of the country, replaying fuzzy memories as fact? it's not about conspiracy theories.. it's about him contradicting himself. I know that I sure wouldn't make myself the butt of jokes by taking such a serious event and telling people my version of the way events unfolded when i'm not eve sure of how it unfolded.
Christine - if I wasn't sure of how things played out, I wouldn't tell people that "this is the way it played out", I'd tell them that "my memory's a little fuzzy, but this is how I think it played out"
I DO know as much about the Canadian Government, I mean, I've worked as an administrator in the government for 7 out of the past 10 years. I've worked under Deputy Ministers (2), under several Legal Counsel, both within the Department of Justice and its' Legal Services Unit in other Ministries, my cv's a mile long with experience in writing Cabinet correspondence, communicating QP notes, not to mention of course all the bull administrative duties such as critical paths, budget charts and other menial tasks...
I understand how it works, and as someone who understands how politics work, am still horrified when Canadians say that they are voting for one Party Leader over the other. To put it simply - in the US you vote for a president... we do NOT vote for our Prime Minister. We vote on each individual seat... well, the seat for our residential zone.. and those seats add up to a number which determines who is the next political party in charge. If more political teachings were held in school, as part of the curriculum taught to the young adults of tomorrow, maybe our world wouldn't be in such rough shape.
Not only do I know about Canadian Politics.. but I know a lot about politics elsewhere in the world. I think it's actually quite ignorant to only care to know about one's own country and not give a hoot about the rest of the world... A company is nothing without its support staff... and lack of care and knowledge means everyone will turn their backs when they're needed the most.
For the record, I'm not even CLOSE to being a wannabe American, thankyouverymuch. I quite enjoy how the rest of the world sees me.
lovemy2 replied: Well I am smart enough now to see where this is headed so I bow out gracefully at this point - while biting my tongue
Kentuckychick replied: I think for me it's this. I lost my job. I lost my job in a time when this country is at what I hope to God is the depths of this economic hell. And I'm now one of hundreds of thousands of people collecting unemployment because the job I left was far better than any of the jobs I can just go out and get right now (so unemployment is better for me). But eventually for all of us, that money will run out too. And then, then we're all really screwed.
I just can't believe that anyone would hope for Obama to fail. In this time of crisis in our country I feel we all should at the very least be hoping for the same thing...
and that's for a better nation for everyone.
So I'm proud of all of you who, despite not being Obama's biggest fans, are willing to at least give the man a chance. But there are so many people out there who just want to see him sink the battleship. And that is disheartening... especially considering if he did (if any president did), we'd all be going down with it.
jcc64 replied:
Very wise words. Well said!
Danalana replied: I agree!! I pray that he succeeds, no matter how I feel about him. I was SO sad that one of his first acts as President was to lift the ban Bush had in place on funding for abortion. Made me want to throw up, actually. With everything else in the world going on, I wonder how that could be at the top of the list. This, my friends, was one of the big reasons I wouldn't vote for him. Regardless, I don't want him to fail in the presidency, but I am deeply saddened.
boogiemomster replied: can't believe they had to do it twice
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