For those who vote for obama.... - This is very disturbing..(i warned you)

jakesmommy08 wrote: Now let me just start by saying im NOT trying to cause any arguments.....i just come across this and thought other people should know of the "changes" obama has been making.......This is a very disturbing video (you will need volume). Again I am sorry If i affend anyone because that is not my intention but i know not everyone is going to agree with me on this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA

Kentuckychick replied: Yes it's sad... it's a sad fact of life just like children dying of abuse and starvation. We can do all we want to stop it, but unfortunately that doesn't mean it will ever go away. George W. Bush, or any other republican or democrat who came before him who may have openly stood against late abortion or abortion period weren't able to stop it either.

The sad fact is, it will never change. If the government stops women from having abortions in medical facilities, they WILL find a way to do it. Or they will leave their babies for dead after birth. Does anyone really believe that an individual willing to have a late term abortion cares a lick about their unborn child? They'll find a way.

I am pro-life 150% for myself, but when it comes to trying to change things for all of the other people in this country... in this world... I have to say I'm pro-choice. I

Also, this video is definitely made by someone on the far right side of things. Infanticide? Seriously? That's absurd. It's a bunch of jargon and tabloid blooey popped together to make Obama look as bad as possible. I'm sure Obama doesn't go around saying "I LOVE the idea of late term abortion... love it!" I bet he just knows that right now there are things that CAN be changed.

Insanemomof3 replied:
Very well said.

cameragirl21 replied: I really should stay out of this but all I will say is this--next time someone called "rosaryfilms" wants to make a video called "Infanticide Pro-Life Anti-Abortion Video" and then at the end promotes a website called www.noHUSSEIN.org maybe s/he should also add a barn boots warning for the rest of us who have the misfortune of watching this.

If this woman really witnessed all this, why didn't she go to the police or speak up sooner? Tragedies and wrongdoing happen everyday and a lot more solutions could be found if people would focus on the problem and finding a solution instead of pushing a blantantly obvious agenda.
If all this is really happening then Obama is NOT the culprit, regardless of where he stands on the issue UNLESS he engaged in these activities himself and given that he's not a medical professional, I think it's safe to say his hands are clean of this one.
And that goes for both sides, actually, I am no longer a PETA member for this reason, even though I agree with a lot of (but not ALL of) what they stand for.

CantWait replied: Heartbreaking that someone could even think to do that. No comment on Obama, I'm speechless at that. I understand that people are going to do what they're going to do, but come on, 21 weeks.... These babies are being left for dead regardless of whether they get a late term abortion or not, why not do away the bill, and keep your hands clean.

Crystalina replied: This is a very heart breaking video and a sad truth.

The video though was also just that. A video. Where is the proof? A nurse talking (reading rather at times)? FOX News at the beginging of it? I would have to have more then a well made video to believe any of this.
There are also people saying that the man was not born on American soil even though it's been proven time and again that he indeed was. I would have to hear/see more concrete evidence. And even if he did...you can't agree 100% with everything others believe in. I'm not sure I would question his ability as Pres. d/t his thoughts and doings on abortion. kwim?

luvmykids replied: I can't watch the video (dial up) but will say this: Late term abortion disgusts me to the core and I can't believe some people have become so de-sensitized to it that it's actually LEGAL without extreme medical necessity. I understand abortion in general will never be illegal again, but I hate the progression from abortion to late term abortion....whats next?

jcc64 replied: It's a little bit disingenuous to post an inflammatory video filled with half-truths, distortions, or outright lies on a universally polarizing subject like late-term abortion and simultaneously claim that you don't want to start a debate.
I can spend hours digging up clips, statistics, legislation, etc...to refute just about everything in that video and post them here. And you know what? It wouldn't change a thing. People who think Obama is the anti-Christ will continue to do so, people who think abortion is indefensible under every circumstance will continue to do so, and so on.
Here's my customary reply when this subject comes up: It's tragic that developing fetuses are aborted every day. Imo, it's even more tragic that the same people who claim to care so much for unborn children seem to have very little regard for the suffering of those who are already alive. Maybe some of the money the pro-life movement lavishes on p.r. campaigns like this one would be better spent on unwanted children dumped into the foster care system. And maybe politicians who court the pro-life vote shouldn't be the first ones to cut funding for vital social service programs needed to sustain the lives of poor and unwanted children. If ALL lives are indeed precious, and not just little pink babies, then I'd see a whole lot more compassion exhibited in our public policy. Until then, I'm pro-choice all the way, and the only thing videos like that do is throw gas on the fire.

My2Beauties replied: I saw the first minute and didn't want to watch the rest because personally well...look at Jeanne's post and there it is

By no means am I a fan of abortion, being that I almost always am far to the left on things, when it comes to this you'd be surprised but I think this video is filled with lies and is out to make Obama look like some sort of baby killer!!!

Crystalina replied:
Does it surprise you? He's not only a baby killer but he's also a terrorist, a foreigner and a one man cannon ball for our country. He has weaseled his way into the White House to destroy all Americans. Michelle and the girls are not only in on it but now they've recruited that poor dog.

jcc64 replied: And he's coming to take all of our guns away too.

Crystalina replied:
Oh yeah, how could I forget that one? We will no longer be able to protect our homes and/or shoot our meat.

CantWait replied:

wcs40110 replied: So much for everyone keeping their opinions to themselves.

Kentuckychick replied: I saw today where Sarah Palin publically stated that she thought for a few moments about aborting her 1 year old son after she found out that he would have Down Syndrome. You know, I've never been a supporter of Palin, for a lot more reasons than her strong anti-abortion stance, but hearing her say that actually made me respect her a little more.

It's nice to see one person from the anti-abortion side come out and say "I can see the other perspective."

Danalana replied:
Ha! Hang around for a while...you'll see that that will never happen
I didn't watch it because it makes me too sad to begin with. I agree that anybody can make a video and put a spin on it to make things seem a certain way. Most of you know that I am pro-life to the core. EXCEPT for extreme circumstances, anyway. The truth is that one of Obama's first (if not THE first) acts as president was to do away with an abortion ban Bush had in place. So, to me, that signals that he places high priority on it and not on other areas a lot of you (us) believe are important. I might be wrong, but that's just how it seems to me.
That said (and go ahead and get ready to bash me!), I don't believe it matters who is in the White House. In the end, what is happening in this world is going to happen regardless. It's not in the President's hands. The state of the world hasn't gotten ugly because of who is in the Oval office. I know I was very anti Obama, but it was mostly because of core issues I do deem important. And I was saddened that more people don't feel the same way on those issues (naivity, for sure). It took me a while, but I have found comfort in what I stated above. The President (WHOEVER he happens to be) is just a man, and I am putting my trust in someone higher. Don't misunderstand me...the presidency is a very important position, of course. I pray for him and his administration, but I feel peace knowing that my fate as an American doesn't rest there.

Danalana replied:
I think everybody (pro-life or not) struggles with these kinds of things. We're all human. I'm sure the knowledge that her child was going to suffer to some degree and have a shorter life span DID cause her to think about it for a moment. I think most people would visit that idea, even if only for a second, if they knew their baby had a chronic problem. Believing in something doesn't exempt one from mulling over the alternatives. As pro-life as I am, if I knew my baby had a terminal illness (I know Downs Syndrome is not terminal) of some sort and would never have quality of life, I am sure I would want to take measures to see that he/she didn't suffer. I have no doubt my belief would win out, but it would be a hard decision...for anybody. I don't care what anybody says about Palin...I think she is amazing and would have been a good vice president. I guess that's water under the bridge for now, LOL.

Crystalina replied:
Oh! I NEVER do that.

Crystalina replied: Dana, we are so opposite aren't we? On some things anyway.

Anyway, I don't want to touch Palin too much because she's yesterday's news (for me anyway) but I just can't pump sunshine up the woman's rear-end because she decided to have and love her child unconditionally. Yay her!

Calimama replied: I can't even watch that video. Obama or no Obama, it's sick.

cameragirl21 replied: One thing I want to add is that for those of us who are pro choice, it's not that we are pro abortion, per se, or even that we like or agree with abortion. For me personally, I am uneasy about putting restrictions on my rights as a woman. It's just that simple.
Incidentally, as I know this is a religious issue for some, in Jewish law, abortion is considered mandatory if the woman's life is at risk. In other words, if the mother's life is in danger, an abortion MUST be performed, even late term. The mother's life takes precendence until the child is born. Actually, life begins when the child's shoulders (or something to that effect, I'd have to look this up to know for sure) pass through the birth canal.
Obviously, we should not be using religion as grounds to determine the legality of abortion but I think it should be said that people's beliefs obviously will color their opinion on the matter and religious beliefs differ based on the religion, obviously.
I don't think anyone is pro abortion, it's just a matter of being against someone taking away my rights.

Mommy2Isabella replied: I chose to not watch the video but read the comments. Late term or abortion PERIOD are not an option for me.

I must say that I somewhat agree with Jeanne on this, that if everyone that was so HARDCORE pro-life dumped all that funding for DON'T KILL YOUR BABY signs plastered everywhere and put it into other areas like she mentioned, that would be a step in the right direction.

CantWait replied:
WHY WOULD ONE HAVE TO KEEP THEIR OPINIONS TO THEMSELVES?????
What would we learn if that was the case. No one here is bashing anyone else's opinions, and what I read up till your post (as I have not read on yet), everyone has been quite respectful of eachother. I have more to say, but I fear it will not turn out so nicely so I will stop there....

Insanemomof3 replied: LOL. Keep our opinions to ourselves? On a public message board? And on topics that affect everyone, SOOOO not gonna happen

Danalana replied: I do understand the idea of being pro-choice and I know that not all pro-choicers are advocates of abortion. I realize we can't be a society that takes people's "rights" away, but I've never been able to group abortion into the category of "right". I'll never see it that way, so I know how this subject will always be for me.
Crystal, you're right...there are lots of people who choose to have and love children with illnesses every day. Believe me, that's not why I like her, though I think it was admirable for her to admit she had thought of abortion as an option. And she might be "old news" for now, but I have a feeling she might not stay that way
Yep, we're opposites on most things, but that's ok. It looks like I'm opposites with most here on lots of issues

Danalana replied:
I understand what you're saying Jennifer. The thing that bothers me is that the government tends to change its idea on when life begins to suit their needs at the time. Kill a pregnant woman while drunk driving (or some other way) and see if you don't get charged with 2 lives...no matter what stage of pregnancy. That's what bothers me the most (besides the fact that MILLIONS of lives have been taken). How can it be life in some instances but not in others? Does anybody know?

msoulz replied: I think one theory might be because it was not the woman's choice to end the child's life but rather the drunk driver's choice.

Crystalina replied:
Dana try being married to your political opposite! OMG! We realized we had to tone it down (and now only "discuss" after the kids are in bed or outside) when we were talking about something one day un-politic related and one of us started getting loud and Izabella said...Can we NOT bring Obama into this please?!!!!





Talk about being put in your place by a 7 yr old.

Crystalina replied:
I agree.

Cece00 replied: If the lady in the video had such a big problem with what was going on @ her place of employment, why did she continue to work there?

I also didnt get what was so graphic about the video...or whatever...I didnt see any pictures or anything, unless I missed them...I did skip around a bit, it was pretty boring...

People are always going to disagree about abortion...but abortion also isnt going anywhere...

I personally am pro-choice- I myself would be extremely unlikely to ever have an abortion, but I absolutely do not agree with banning abortion.

Danalana replied:
Aha....but you said it right there..."to end the child's life". What life? If it's not a life until it's outside the body, what life was ended? Does anybody see what I'm saying? It's a life in some instances, but not in others.

Crystalina replied:
I do understand what your saying Dana. I'm not one to say it is NOT a life though. I think that when you have an abortion you most definatly are killing your baby but I also agree that a woman has the choice to do that in the early stages of pg. I would not but I would not look down on another woman for doing it unless she were using abortions as a form of birth control. Late -term abortions, to me, are just really very sick. I'm sure there are people out there who think early term is just as bad.


Sorry for the edit. Gabby decided it was time to post before I was ready to.

cameragirl21 replied: I think it's because our society looks upon drunk drivers with such disdain due to their irresponsibility and total disregard for the lives around them so if a pg woman is killed by a DD then the revulsion of the DD's actions are merely stressed by the fact that he not only killed a woman but took away what was the potential for her developing fetus and in all fairness, any other future children she may have had had she not been killed by a DD. It's not a political issue or a moral or religious issue, it's just our total abhorrance for those who drink and then endanger others by getting behind the wheel of a car afterward.
I imagine if a pg woman was killed by a DD in her first trimester, the DD would not be charged for ending that life but if the pg woman were in her 8th month, where the baby is likely viable outside the woman's body then the DD would be charged for double homicide.
In all fairness, no one is talking about abortion in the 8th month...even in this video they were talking about 20-21 weeks, at which age a fetus is just not viable outside the body (as far as I know, none have ever been at that period of gestation).
My outlook on this is simple--don't like abortion, then don't have one. Why create laws that restrict people's freedoms and also, if you make abortion illegal, even late term, it's still going to happen and abortionists will charge a fortune doing this on the black market. Why put additional money in their pocket and put women's lives at risk? At the end of the day, people will do what they will and no matter how much you may want to, you will NOT impose your morality on others unless they are open to it and anyone who would abort late term, either the woman or the abortionist is probably not open to your morality.
I'm all for trying to change the world but I think it makes more sense to change what you actually can change instead of imposing your will on others who will circumvent it anyway.

jcc64 replied: I've never really understood the "It's not a life" argument. Of course it's a life. For me, the point turns on whether it's an independently viable life--that is, is it's life sustainable without the support of the mother's body? Following that train of thought, to me, it becomes closer to murder when a pregnancy is terminated ONCE the fetus is viable, which currently stands at or near 25 weeks. This is my own particular moral code, and I'm not suggesting it be imposed on anyone else. I'm simply saying that I find it extremely difficult to defend the practice of abortion beyond 25 wks.
And Dana, lo and behold, we agree on something! I think your post about coming to terms with Obama's presidency was articulate and thoughtful. He is just a man, a very powerful one, but the fate of all those unborn babies rest in the hands of the people who created them, not him.