For all the Kate (J&K+8) fans

coasterqueen wrote: if you are going to believe the media about Jon......I guess you have to believe it about Kate too.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20292198,00.html


Seems like she kicked him out the house last year.....and that he wasn't so quick to replace her with Hailey

Or so the tabloid says....but if you are going to trash Jon for all he's done based on what you see in the media........fair is fair.

jcc64 replied: The problems in their marriage are less confusing to me than Jon's assertions that the media scrutiny and lack of privacy have ruined his life. Why is he sitting for all of these magazine cover shoots, then?

coasterqueen replied:
Same reason she did would be my guess. She made him out to be the mean person in all of this and maybe now he wants to set it straight. I'm sure it's not all that, I'm sure fame and money has something to do with it, but nothing she hasn't already done.

A&A'smommy replied: its a sad situation all around.. they need to keep their marital problems to themselves, if for no other reason than for their children.. I know its hard considering they are "famous" but if I was kate or even Jon I would have shut the show down to work on the problems and how to handle the media

luvmykids replied: I didn't see anything new there, other than him defending himself and his dating life....I'd love to hear directly from him though, rather than a "source".

luvbug00 replied: I feel so bad for those kids..

Kentuckychick replied: I don't see anything wrong here...

They've even said themselves that their marriage was over long before they started showing it on the show.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Jon "dating"... I think Jon has proven himself a complete (insert word I cannot say) with the things he's said about his life and marriage and the way he's acted since it ended (moving far away from his children and toting around a trashy 22 year old on his arm).

You don't see Kate doing any of those things. In fact, I haven't seen Kate AT ALL in the past month or so.

Frankly I would have kicked him out of the house too. He's acting like a complete imbocile and I certainly wouldn't want my children exposed to that nonsense on a daily basis regardless of whether or not we were or were not still together and whether or not it was or was not perfectly acceptable for him to be dating because the marriage was already over.

coasterqueen replied: didn't say there was anything wrong. Just the "source" says she was ready to move on that she didn't want to be with him anymore. So he moved on. Never said he hasn't done anything wrong. I am just saying that people seem to think he caused all this and if you are going to believe that from the media then you should believe the media telling you she was done with the marriage. Whether if she had been in hiding doesn't meN anything except she is trying to stay out of the heAt so her career doesn't suffer anymore. They both in the medias eye do not look like saints. I just can't figure out why people feel sorry for her when we do t k ow the whole sorry like whether SHE wanted the marriage over or not.

Kentuckychick replied:
ah... I see.

But I think if those of us, at least myself, who've watched the show already knew that. Kate pretty much admitted that she was done with the marriage a long time ago...

I think it's a shame that their marriage is over, especially for the sake of the childrnen, but there are many, many couples with children who divorce each year and still manage to keep it together for the sake of the kids.

I think people feel "sorry" for Kate because of the complete and utter dimwit Jon has turned out to be. What disgusts me the most about Jon is that he ran away the second he got the chance.

Despite what her underlying intentions may or may not be, Kate is the one who is there for the children right now... and don't think they won't remember that for the rest of their lives.

coasterqueen replied:
Isn't that the way it always is. When two people divorce are both there ALL the time for them? One parent usually has more time with the kids than the other. *IF* he wanted to be there all week for the kids and she could visit them on the weekends, she was going to allow that? Yeah, they'll see he was in the tabloids and she wasn't, but because he's not there all week shouldn't make the children love him any less -- that's the way most divorces are - one parent there 75% of the time and one there 25% - or at least all the divorces of people I've known.

ETA: I don't know why people are feeling sorry that she's there all week and he's out partying. What do you expect him to do - sit at home and stare at a tv all day because he can't be with his kids???? If the roles were reversed and he was there and she was out partying what would people think? That one just confuses me.

luvmykids replied:
For me, it's him getting an apartment in NY and taking trips to Paris type that bugs me....it appears (and I say appears b/c we don't know the whole story) he's not even trying to see his kids and yes, I do think she'd allow it....as much as he wanted.

coasterqueen replied:
Maybe she did allow it, but just the little I saw on tv of them "getting along" for the sake of the kids there towards the end, she was pretty crappy (I'd use a different word here, lol) to him when he was just trying to co-exist around her to be with his kids. I wouldn't be able to put up with that crap, IMO, which may be why he chose not to be around as much - chose to only be around when she's not. Every time you turned around on the last few episodes she was making jabs at him left and right - I'd be gone too!

cameragirl21 replied: what i don't understand is, if she kicked him out, then why the sob story on her part during the "big announcement" eppy and the crocodile tears about how she doesn't want to do this alone?
what did she expect to happen after she kicked him out...did she expect him to get on his knees and beg her to change her mind?
idk, at the end of the day, Jon is still a guy and they have an ego thing whereby if they get kicked out of their home (and happen to be balding at the same time), they are inclined to act out by getting a bachelor pad and a gf that may be suitable to be a play date with their kids...happens all the time.
wonder what would have happened if she hadn't kicked him out...it was obvious from the very beginning imo that they weren't exactly a great couple....

My2Beauties replied:
ITA 100% with you Karen. I haven't made any comments yet really in any of the threads about them because I didn't watch the show much, but from what I can tell, he's not really done anything awfully wrong. I think if my DH were to leave me, I'd definitely find myself going out and mingling more when I didn't have the kids in order to keep my mind off of things. Heck I go out now with girlfriends at least once a month. I think you're right too, I know Brian only sees Des 25% of the time but he's a darn good father towards her and he does talk to her everyday. It's just much easier for her to live with her mom through the week especially during the school year because her school is a few blocks down the road as well as Brian's mom and dad whom watches her during the day in the summer and after school, it's just much easier. When she comes and stays with us it's normally on weekends. I think the media is picking on the both of them and it's sad because the ones suffering are the children!

Kentuckychick replied:
Exactly.

He bought an apartment in New York - far away from his family and he's been traveling the country and other countries. And the comment he made on the show about how they would have joint custody and he would have the kids x number of days -- but he's only 32 and he could easily get a job and that could change (meaning he could be seeing them a lot less)... he didn't seem to care.

I know families who are divorced who have custody arrangements that work the best for their situation because of work and all... but they have PLENTY of money and there's absolutely no reason he should be seeing them less when Kate said herself that she wanted to have equal custody.

As for Kate "kicking him out"... I think that's total speculation. Kate said that she felt the marriage had been over for a long time but she never said she kicked him out.