Britney screws up AGAIN!
amynicole21 wrote: I can't believe this  He's only 8 months old and she has him forward facing!
Here's the story MSNBC
A&A'smommy replied: What in the WORLD!!!! SHe is a lunatic!!!
BAC'sMom replied:
Kaitlin'smom replied: I heard about it, I guess the only thing to say at least he was in a car seat this time. granted its in totaly wrong. also how come she get away with this crap she deffinaly should not even have a licenses of any kind.
Is he even buckled?
ashtonsmama replied: Are you KIDDING ME?!?
Is he not strapped in or what?!?!?!?!?!
ETA: I see now that his seat is also facing the wrong way...DUH!
I can see how we all make minor mistakes, but she's GAMBLING WITH HER SON'S LIFE! And she's pregnant again?!? I think all that separates her from a very uneducated, unattentive mother is the amount of money in her bank account.
JMO.
Halo42101 replied: I'm not a mom yet but I noticed the baby's head hanging off to the side while sleeping. Isn't she suppose to have some kind of support seat within the car seat to help support him more?
C&K*s Mommie replied: Jessy Ann's siggy pic of her daughter put it best for me! Like everyone else I cannot believe she is doing that (seat forward), and not taking into consideration that his head is tilted!
CantWait replied: Yikes, I'm guilty of not using head supports, I don't see the big deal, but foreward facing that's a huge 
C&K*s Mommie replied: I did not use head supports either much, but when driving if I noticed a tilted head, at a red light I would shift it back up.
Hillbilly Housewife replied: Yeah well.... up here it's 20 pounds OR a year for forward facing. So my kids were all forward facing at about 4 months... so I don't really see the big deal, sorry.
As for the tilting... ALL my kids sleep that way in the car.
Money maker for the photograph is all.
ediep replied:
here the law is 20 pounds and 1 year can face forward.
i used head supports for Jay when he was little, but in the briax seat now, his head doesn't go forward like that.
amynicole21 replied:
It is a law here, so it's a pretty big deal. Just one more thing to add to the list of things she does wrong.
siblingtoolivia replied: I don't know where you live Zenmommy bu I know in NY the law is 20 lbs AND 1 year old. Weight isn't necessarily the issue, the issue is how strong their neck is and under 1 year they don't deem their neck to be strong enough to handle a rear impact. In fact they recommend you leave them past 1 year if possible depending on how long their legs are........
Brit is a nut as far as I am concerned....
Kaitlin'smom replied:
really 20lbs or a year? WOW heck Kait did not reach 20lbs unitl right around her 1st b-day. As far as I know its 20lbs and at least 1 year old, however they prefer you keep them rear facing as long as possible. Its safer. I have see where they do those test crashes both ways and if I had to do it again Kait would have stayed rear facign alot longer.
luvbug00 replied: I don't care about this "mess up" to me the letting her son ride on her lap was IT. That was her big mistake and she should have has stiffer penalties for it. period.
Hillbilly Housewife replied: Yes it is a year OR 20 pounds here.
Wierd... considering walkers are banned here and still legal in the US. 
To each their own... let's agree to disagree, k? 
Kaitlin'smom replied:
you cant walk there? as in school kids or just walk down to the store? not sure I understand that one.
Its law hear and with both things she should NOT be getting away with them just because she is who she is.
Hillbilly Housewife replied:
lol
I mean walkers as in the thing on wheels you put a baby in...
If it's against the law there - by all means she shuld be punished appropriately - but it not being the law where I live, I woudn't hasve thought twice about it, is all.
Kaitlin'smom replied:
 strollers is what most of us call them.
huh woudl have never guessed they were illigal there, might I ask if someone comes to visite and uses one without knowing its illigal what would they do? do you know?
Cece00 replied: She means walkers as in those things that look like Exersaucers but have wheels. They are considered very unsafe & they can hinder walking.
In most states the law is 20 lbs AND a year, and then booster seats are until 8 & 80 lbs (or in some states, 4/40 lbs/48 inches).
What she is doing is VERY unsafe. First, he is already forward facing (and sorry, her kid doesnt weigh 20 lbs, look @ him), he is in a seat that is obviously too big for him and she is using NO headrests/neck support.
Poor kid.
Kaitlin'smom replied:
ahhh I was thinkng stollers. I see what you mean. I never used one. I also never would use the door jumper just the look of it scared me.
Cece00 replied:
The door jumper scares me too! They have ones now that are like swings but jumpers...so they have a frame. Much better.
luvbug00 replied: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/imag...tt=623&ei=UTF-8
you mean thease doo hickkies??
arugh i lothe those...
b&bsmom replied: It is wrong for sure. I also have a problem with the convertiable part. I know riding in the back you get all the wind, can he even catch his breath because the wind is blowing so hard.
I believe she should at least be cited for it. I know my kids turned a little early but not 8 months ( my doc said it was ok because their necks were so strong. )
Anyway, always giving us something to talk about doesn't she?
Hillbilly Housewife replied: yeah... sorry - I guess my english is a little "rusty" from being in French country (quebec) for a year...
And like B&B's mom - my doctor had told me their necks could handle being forward facing. 
coasterqueen replied: Actually head supports that are not sold with the car seat are a HUGE HUGE no-no. They are very unsafe and should not be used unless they were tested and sold along with the car seat. A common mistake many people make and a bad one. My girls heads are like that too sometimes, but at the age of Britney's baby she can cure that situation by tilting him back some more  Course I agree he should be rear facing.
But there are more people in the US than we realize who turn their babies around earlier than a year just because they've reached the 20 pound mark . My girlfriends are guilty of this I know for sure. So Britney is not the only guilty one for sure. She's just the guilty one in the spotlight. 
kit_kats_mom replied: Not that I love her or anything but could it be that in a convertable the wind in the face is less if the child is forward facing?  Of course that leads me to the whole "what kind of selfish irresponsible person would ride around in a convertable with an infant anyway" convo. LOL Go get a minivan already Brit! Geez
My2Beauties replied: Well at 8 months he could possibly weigh 20 pounds, Hanna did, she was a big baby! I can't tell from the pic whether or not he weighs 80 pounds but the way he is leaning all the way over in the seat indicates he is still way too small for a seat of that size and that she should have head/neck supports, I think it's dangerous to have a baby's head in a position such as that, they are less likely to get an injury in a car accident. But really, if he is 20 pounds maybe she thinks that he is not supposed to be rear facing, a lot of people may not know the law. I'm not sure if it's 20 pounds and 1 year or 20 pounds or one year, but either way it goes, I'm so sick of hearing about Britney I could barf!
coasterqueen replied:
I believe it's a standard law in the country that it's 20 pounds AND a year. ???
My2Beauties replied:
OK I wasn't sure. I always had Hanna rear facing even when she was too big for her infant seat, she was in a larger seat facing the rear, but well like you said a lot of people turn their kids around at that 20 lb mark. You know - I think I may have had Hanna turned around at 10.5-11 months really, she could walk and she was just a really large baby by then. She looks like she is nearly 4 now as it is. She has just always been bigger. I think I did becaues I remember her legs were beyond the back of the car at that point so we had to turn her around. I mean maybe this is what is happening with her kid, I don't know. I'm not a fan of hers by any means neither, but I am tired of hearing about her.
Oh and Karen I had no clue those head rest things were a big no no, I thougt they were pretty important, why so might I ask are they a no-no?
~~*Missi*~~ replied: My daughter was 33-34inches by 9months i was TOLD by my pediatrician since she was crawling and starting to walk that it was FINE to flip her forward..
ITS A RECOMMENDATION NOT A LAW (at least in NY)... my lord can we just let the poor woman or OTHER woman live life without being belittled for everything someone else deems not RIGHT.....
I would bet there are things about us that they don't agree with you know the difference they don't give a poo.....
sorry but when can people just live life with out us hounding them... i had to flip sabrina HER PED TOLD ME TOO CAUSE SHE WAS CRAMPED AND UNCOMFORTABLE.... so I guess OPPS I screwed up too
Please tell me what it is like to be so perfect??? I am just curious since I would think only a perfect person would be pointing out someone elses flaws
~~*Missi*~~ replied:
you are right, when we had training for baby depot GRACO and Evenflo made that point hence why they no longer make headrests sold separate...
Kaitlin'smom replied:
I find this to be rude and offensive. NO one is perfect but come on look at her kid he is not HUGE by any means. She is putting her kid in DANGER not only with this but getting away with driving with him in her lap! I saw a woman drive down the road just the other day and if she did not pull into someone drive way you bet I would have reported her for holding a child while driving. Have your opinon its fine but dont go off on others for being concerned for a childs safty. 
Jamison'smama replied:
Yikes. I don't think anyone meant to belittle other parenting club members. I am unsure of the law where she was at the time. According to the article it was recommended that it be 20 and 1 year so who knows? It was a conversation about a woman who has had other more serious mishaps. We all parent differently and we often agree to disagree.
coasterqueen replied:
They are a big no no because they aren't tested if not sold with car seats. So one has no idea how the head rest will affect the child's safety in a car crash. Whereas the ones sold with the car seat are tested and we would know if they are safe or not. Believe it or not those things as well as other contraptions can be very unsafe in accidents.
As far as legs being cramped, it's another misconception that one should turn their child around because their legs are cramped or too long and touching the seat. It is however proven safe to keep them rear-facing even if their legs are long because they are less likely to get injured than forward facing even with their legs folded (sort of like in indian style seating). If you go to any car seat safety board they will tell you the same thing.
Jamison'smama replied: I looked it up--In California it seems to be 1 year or 20 lbs Just FYI 
coasterqueen replied: I just wanted to add that this is the greatest joy about our country (and others) and this board. We have the freedom to give our opinions, even if someone doesn't agree with it. BUT we don't have the right to belittle anyone for making the comment. I do not believe it was the OP's intentions to say she is better than anyone else. She just felt that the woman in question should know about the laws in her area. And yes, in most places it isn't law, it's a recommendation BUT those recommendations are in place for a reason....FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN not to inconvenience us in anyway. A lot of people turn their children around too early because they think they are uncomfortable or because they would be happier faced forward, etc. Well there are a lot of things that would make our children happy that aren't good for them, right? Doesn't mean we should do them
 to all.
My2Beauties replied:
See I didn't know that either. Being a first timer I guess I really just took cues from other people, when I noticed her legs were getting too long, I just turned her around, I mean like I said she was close to 1 year old but had I known it's actually just as safe to put them in Indian Style I would have done that. Oh and thanks for the hads-up about the head rests - I honestly had no clue about that, I bought some when Hanna was an infact and used them religiously.
MyLuvBugs replied:
So was Lorelei, and we turned her around at 10 months. Does that mean that I'm a bad mother b/c I turned my childs seat around only b/c she was the size of a 15 month old? NO.  So, I don't see the problem with her having the kid forward facing. JMO. However, the kids head is hanging quite low  But that could also be the angle to which the picture was taken. Who really knows.
MyLuvBugs replied:
Even when a Dr is telling you it's OK to turn the Seat around? Sorry. I have to disagree with you on that one Karen. I will take the word of a dr standing before me over an article written by someone I've never met before. JMO.
Jamison'smama replied: The doctors give it the okay that their neck muscles are strong enough. That doesn't mean that is always the safest. My doctor said at 20lbs and 1 year (that's our state law) it was fine to flip them if we choose but he recommended keeping them rear facing as long as possible. It's still a personal choice and I didn't wait as long for my son- we turned him around at 1 year because we were on a long road trip and we wanted to have it a little easier for us. My friend has a child that is 20 months but weighs 19 lbs--still rear facing--yep, ticks that child off but that's the law here. We all have to decide what's best for our child and our family as well as follow recommended guidelines and laws. No one says anyone is a BAD MOTHER because we choose to do something different. These statements are not personal attacks. Even doctors have different opinions.
mckayleesmom replied: Well...Im hoping that based on the fact that she has curlers in her hair that she was driving to her mailbox...I can hope right? Maybe she just tossed the seat in there with the baby asleep and was driving down to pick up her mail. She might have been driving on her own property. Still not very safe to do, but it could be. Knowing that your picture is taken wherever you go...would you be caught dead out in public with curlers in your hair?
Im hoping Im right because I would hate to think that she drove with her little man around like that.
Cece00 replied: Actually, looks like this pic was taken in New York. I dont know the infant restraint laws for New York State.
mckayleesmom replied: Also...I wanted to add that we probably don't have the whole picture. I personally think she was on her own property based on the curlers in her hair. That might not even be SP's carseat, but one of her older step kids. Perhaps K-Fed took the car with the carseat in it or she didn't have access to it. Maybe she had to get her mail or let vouch for someone to get in the gate at the house she lives in. She might have just strapped him into that seat to make a quick run to her security gate entrance.
I don't like Brittney Spears either, but the paparazi are no angels either. Notice he made sure that you can't see anything around where she is driving, but trees. That could be anywhere.
My3LilMonkeys replied: I am not saying that what Brittany did was right or wrong, because I don't know her situation. But I had both of my kids forward facing before they were a year old. Both of them were uncomfortable rear facing because of the length of their legs, and it may be just as safe for them to have their legs crossed indian style but neither one of them would go for it. They would kick and scream until they got their legs stuck in an uncomfortable position and then they would just cry. So I made a personal choice, yes I was breaking the law but that was what was best for my family.
I guess my point is that we shouldn't be so quick to judge - we don't know the circumstances.
luvbug00 replied: I'll judge her.( I wouldn't judge any "regular joe" though) You put yourself in the limelight and there are children who idolize you , You are then an EXAMPLE so she needs to grow up and act like one before all the girls who idolize her grow up and start toating their babies arround without carseats. I'm done.
ashtonsmama replied:
I don't think anyone here, anyone on this EARTH is perfect (sorry ladies, you know I love you!), I just think that all of us, like Brenda said, have different parenting styles and make different choices...so no one is trying to be perfect, I'm sure...although I know I'd love to be!
A&A'smommy replied: you know its not JUST the carseat (even though that IMHO it incredibly irresponsibly) but she has her top down with the sun shining right on his new skin that too me is wrong too!!  Even if I WAS on my own property or if it was someone elses carseat I personally would have turned it around and accident can accure anywhere. He looks to me like he does NOT weight 20lbs AND I kept alyssa turned around backwards until she was 14months old (her legs were too long but she didnt' complain) just because I was nervous about turning her around. When alyssa was 8months old we normally did not go outside in the sun without sunscrean and for VERY short periods of time we also wore hats.. now even if alyssa DID have sunscreen and I had a top like that it would have stayed up as long as she was in the car until she was older plus being in the limelight I would not leave the top down for other people to take pictures of my child and judge me. JMO
coasterqueen replied:
And I totally respect your opinion but will disagree kindly I would NEVER take the opinion of a doctor regarding car seats or anything else that they are not qualified to give me advice on. They are not licensed or car seat techs that's just completely dangerous IMO to listen to them. All they will do is tell you what they did with their kids, that doesn't make it fact.
ilovemybaby replied: I don't remember how old Abby was when we switched her to forward facing. But I do remember she was 6 months when we switched her from the baby capsule to the carseat. I went to Plunket and asked them to weigh her and measure her height for me because I thought she was getting too big for it. She was 66cm and nearly the weight it says and I was told by Plunket that it's either or. Not both. So they said to put her into the carseat. But maybe the laws are different here?
She is still in the carseat. I am apprehensive about switching to the booster seat when she is 14kg. She is about 11kg now. They just don't look very safe to me. I would love to buy another carseat that takes kids up to like four years (with a 5 point harness). It's getting my hubby to agree to it... I am all for child safety. My father is an ex policeman so I've always been very safety conscious. If I had known that they made carseats that you could use for a longer amount of time I would have bought that one in the first place. Now I'll have to sell the one we have and buy a new one. And I have the problem of my mother wanting a booster seat for her car for when she has Abby. I don't want her to use one because I don't like them.
amynicole21 replied:
Thanks Karen - you said that very well.
1lilpeanut2love replied: I think people are just out to get this girl. She is under a lot of pressure. ALL PARENTS IN THIS WORLD MAKE MISTAKES and NO ONE is PERFECT!! I just wish we would leave this girl alone and talk about something more important!!! JMHO!
I heard last night on the news that her spokesperson said SEAN PRESTON is over 20 pounds!!!!!!!!!!
mom2tripp replied: Here's a story on it....
Britney's People Deny Car Seat Error
Britney Spears did not break state law by allegedly driving with her baby in a forward-facing car seat, her record company says.
Sony BMG was responding to reports of a photograph of Spears driving in Malibu, California, with Sean Preston, one, in the back facing forward not back.
Spears, who is now pregnant with her second child, was in "total compliance" with Californian law, Sony BMG said.
In February, she was photographed driving with her son on her lap.
The 24-year-old later said she was frightened by paparazzi chasing her but admitted she had made a mistake on that occasion.
In a statement, Sony BMG said state law required that "all children under the age of six or weighing less than 60lbs be in safety seats in the back seat of the car".
It added rear-facing car seats were compulsory neither in California nor many other parts of the US.
"In fact, there are only 10 [states] that require a child to be in a rear-facing car seat, and in two of those states it is not required if the infant is more than 20 lbs. Britney's son Sean weighs over 20 lbs."
Spears achieved global fame at the age of 17, with her number one single Hit Me Baby One More Time, going on to sell millions of albums.
But she has put her music career on hold to bring up her child, releasing her last album - a greatest hits compilation - in 2004.
Spears married her husband Kevin Federline, 28, in September 2004. Sean Preston was born a year later.
Source: BBC News
Bee_Kay replied:
Weird! I always assumed that it was the law nationwide.... if not common sense??
lisar replied: Is that really her???? If it is then she is crazy... That baby looks like he could fall out at any time. He is not strapped in right at all. And he isnt that old is he.
Cece00 replied:
Except that it said she was in New York, and the baby ISNT one. I dont know the laws in New York for infant seats.
Cece00 replied: Also- it makes me wonder...if this is the type of stuff she does KNOWING the public is watching...what on earth does she neglect with this child behind closed doors??????
ashtonsmama replied:
WHAT?!?
She wasn't in New York then right? Says she was in Malibu?!?
I'm so lost.
Oh well--it's her life. It's kind of funny how popular this topic is...
mckayleesmom replied: From what I understand, She is in California, but a NY based newspaper was the first to report about it.
ashtonsmama replied:
Ahhhhhhhh...gotcha.
Thank you.
~~*Missi*~~ replied:
sabrina is 19m and head still looks like that i bet if you chopped of my rough (please do I like the wind in my hair)......
I have tried when she is sleeping to push her head up falls back down. etc.... nothing works i could duck tape it to the seat but fear that would rip out what little bit of hair she has on her head...
If you found the comment "what is it like to be perfect...." rude or offensive but an that is my opinion just as you think she (britney and us who flipped our kids ff before the recommended year) made a mistake.....
I TRY (can't say I don't but TRY i do) not to judge someone elses parenting skills, lifestyle etc... especially someone in the media because I know what I can do with my photo programs (adobe and Jasc), also I don't know the whole situation nor the person in question...
I put myself into her shoes. Constartly hearing how your marriage stinks, how your a horribe mom, how you wear skanky looking clothes etc... and how I would feel if constantly I was berated with all this junk. I wouldn't like it. Whether its true or all lies or 1/2 truth it doesnt' make it right to call someone out on thier flaws IMHO.... Because you took the recommend 20lb and 1yr doens't make you right or better mom. I take those recommendations into consideration then i take my child who isn't a statistic and add that into the recommendation and go to the doctor with my views and opinions and see what he thinks,.. in the end ultimately I make the decision.
Now this could go another way...... THEY HIGHLY recommend vaccinations for children... but as we know some mothers on this board don't do them for various reason which I totally understand and agree with some (not all but that is me the RN talking).... now are you a better mother because you vaccinated your child like recommended??? IMHO no... I think recommendations are just that recommendations they are came up with after testing a certain thing for short times and coming up with the same results but never testing further into differences of ethic, weight, height etc..... come in to play
Lexismama replied: OMG Lexis head ALWAYS goes like that when she is sleeping. I try to move it and she flips out cuz im guessing that is how she is comfortable. Each baby is different, I think that at sean prestons age, he would have adequate control over his head if he wished to sleep different. And I personally and TOTALLY against those head things....its just like a pillow, I wouldnt risk her with one
luvmykids replied: The only thing I'll say is that I'm nervous driving with the top down and kids in the back, convertibles are not great safety wise if they flip or if something, by no fault of your own, flies into the car. That's really the biggest issue I have with that photo.
holley79 replied: I'm sorry but I was only 17 when I started driving around one of the little boys I use to keep. At 17 I knew which way a carseat was supposed to go!!!! This is BS. She should be cited. There is no excuse for it. I don't care how much money she has.
~~*Missi*~~ replied:
how can she be sited when its is NOT a law its a RECOMMENDATION.. I have searched the DMV, the NTHSA and found No states that say it is LAW to have your child in a rear-facing seat for 1y and 20lbs... no where if someone can PLEASE post where it says that it is a LAW and not a RECOMMENDATION i would really really love to see it....
STATE LAWS ON CHILD PASSENGERS
Mom2Boyz replied:
I don't post much anymore, but I thought I would throw my 2 cents in. I believe it is very important to follow the safety guidelines when it comes to my childrens safety. I would rather them "maybe" be a bit uncomfortable than to take a chance on them being seriously injured if we were to have a wreck. I'm not saying anyone is a bad parent if they choose to turn their child around before a year or before they reach 20 lbs, I'm just saying that is not a risk I am willing to take.
South Carolina
SECTION 56-5-6410. Child passenger restraint systems; age and weight as basis for required restraining system; standards. [SC ST SEC 56-5-6410]
Every driver of a motor vehicle (passenger car, pickup truck, van, or recreational vehicle) operated on the highways and streets of this State when transporting a child five years of age or younger upon the public streets and highways of the State must provide an appropriate child passenger restraint system and must secure the child as follows:
(1) A child from birth up to one year of age or who weighs less than twenty pounds must be properly secured in a rear-facing child safety seat which meets the standards prescribed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
(2) A child who is at least one year of age but less than six years of age and who weighs at least twenty pounds but less than forty pounds must be secured in a forward-facing child safety seat provided in the motor vehicle which meets the standards prescribed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
(3) A child who is at least one year of age but less than six years of age and who weighs at least forty pounds but not more than eighty pounds must be secured by a belt-positioning booster seat. The belt-positioning booster seat must be used with both lap and shoulder belts. A booster seat must not be used with a lap belt alone.
(4) If a child is at least one year of age but less than six years of age and weighs more than eighty pounds, the child may be restrained in an adult safety belt. If a child less than six years of age can sit with his back straight against the vehicle seat back cushion, with his knees bent over the vehicle's seat edge without slouching, the child may be seated in the regular back seat and secured by an adult safety belt.
(5) A child who is less than six years of age must not occupy a front passenger seat of a motor vehicle. This restriction does not apply if the motor vehicle does not have rear passenger seats or if all rear passenger seats are occupied by other children less than six years of age.
Any child restraint system of a type sufficient to meet the physical standards prescribed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration at the time of its manufacture is sufficient to meet the requirements of this article.
9/05
http://www.inventiveparent.com/lawsreg4.htm#Alabama
Cece00 replied:
Actually, MY state has the 20 lbs AND a yr law...we actually have pretty darn good child safety seat laws considering that most states do the whole "recommendation" thing.
http://babyproducts.about.com/od/statecars...uisiana_cps.htm
http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/publi.../Seatbelt03.pdf
Bee_Kay replied: For Minnesota:
Minnesota state law requires that children under age 4 be restrained in an appropriate, federally approved car seat or booster seat. Car seats must be installed and used according to manufacturer's instructions. Minnesota law also requires that infants under one year of age and weighing less than 20 pounds must ride in a rear-facing car seat. The state of Minnesota suggests that compliance with car seat safety law is a minimum safety standard, and suggests that children remain in a booster seat to 80 pounds and remain in the back seat until age 13.
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