Am I the only one...

my2monkeyboys wrote: that thinks it's absurd how big of a deal they're making over Obama "showing respect" to the Clinton's??? I mean, I'm not a Dem/Lib at all, and I actually have no good feelings toward the Obamas or Clintons, but everyone is almost making it seem like the Clinton's are the Godfathers and need to have their rings kissed.... it's just amazing to me. If I were the Obamas I'd be more than a little irritated and I certainly would not kiss their butts just in hopes of it helping my run. That is just such a pile of BS to me.

Boo&BugsMom replied: No, not alone.

MommyToAshley replied: I would love to know what is said behind the scenes. Everyone made a big deal out of Obama not choosing Hillary for VP. Hillary gave a speech supporting Obama but I think it was because she had no other choice... I get the feeling that behind closed doors they don't like each other.

mammag replied: I think it's obvious they can't stand one another. First Michelle was making some awful faces during Hillary's speech. She wasn't looking too happy last night until he started going and kept throwing in Obama's name. I had to quit watching after him because I couldn't take one more second of the gag fest.

I do think the reason they "have" to kiss butt right now is to keep the party happy so Hillary can make a run in the future. It just seems ridiculous that he was acting all gaga about Obama after the X and Y candidate comment on Tues.

I was really hoping to watch all of both conventions but I just don't know if I can take another moment of it.... and the thought of sitting through Obama's acceptance..........

mammag replied: Just wanted to add.... It could be just as nauseating watching the RNC next week. I'm sure everyone will be acting like McCain is the cat's meow even though there is so much that conservative Republicans disagree with him on.

I think it's funny that this election's candidates on either side are not fully supported by their respective parties. The Hillary lovers on one side and the actual conservatives on the other.

BAC'sMom replied: Nope

My2Beauties replied: I didn't get a change to watch the Democratic Convention, I've heard bits and pieces of her (Hillary) speech via radio shows that I listen to in the morning and I honestly thought it was a good speech from what I have heard. I'm not a HUGE political person but I do know some things need to change, the economy is horrible, gas is at an all time high, it's went up over 300% since Bush took office and frankly, I could at the thought of another Repub. in office. Anyways back to the OP, I think it's crazy myself too honestly. I mean Obama shouldn't have to kiss their butts.
ETA: I hope no one thinks that statement was a cheap shot at Repubs in general, I didn't mean it that way, but McCain makes me physically ill. I could never vote for someone who doesn't believe in equal pay for women...that runs right through me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/23/m...y-_n_98342.html

Oh and this runs right through me too

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowit...a_b_121403.html

mammag replied: The Huffington Post is one of the most liberal news sources out there.

Did you know that according to the a 2007 Senate report, both Hillary and McCain have more women on staff than Obama? Did you also know that only in McCain's staff was the average salary for the women working for him than the men?

cameragirl21 replied: I'm not a huge fan of Obama but definitely am left leaning...not fond of McCain either...my vote remains undecided as of yet.
But I will say this--Clinton is to dems what Reagan was (and is) to repubs. In all fairness, during Clinton's time jobs were plentiful as opposed to now, there were still 2 tall buildings in NYC and we weren't living under the threat of terror attacks as opposed to now and gas was affordable as opposed to now. Is it all due to Clinton and is now all due to Bush? Of course not but in all fairness, how many of us wouldn't love to go back to the Clinton days? So a little butt kissing is something he has earned imo.
Oh, and I don't care what he does with his interns as long as they are not raped, coerced or underage.

mommymommy replied: UGH>>
I agree!

my2monkeyboys replied: I agree that from the Dems perspective things may seem like they were great under Clinton, but to basically make Obama kneel before him is just ridiculous. I am a big Reagan admirer, but I would hate to see another repub have to treat him in a way that, to me, is humiliating. Like I said, it's almost like a mafia mentality they seem to have going.
Showing respect is one thing, but I really just think they're going way overboard, esp considering the way the Clintons have talked about him both in the past and recently. I swear I think was more like the Clinton convention instead of the DNC for Obama.

msoulz replied: It's all politics. We can't expect them to be honest now, can we?

holley79 replied:
I think there is defiantly more then meets the eye there.

my2monkeyboys replied: Oh, no doubt Michelle Obama doesn't like them at all. All of the faces she was making during the different speeches were just beyond a mild disliking, I thought. I am sure the feeling is mutual, too.

jcc64 replied:


What goes on with a politician's staff has nothing to do with what happens to the average person in real life. There is no excuse for refusing to back an equal pay for equal work bill. And I can't for the life of me imagine why that wouldn't infuriate every woman in this country. How am I supposed to explain that to my daughter?

redchief replied: I can think of two very good reasons; neither of which I'm going to give right now because it would be off topic.

As to the question... Truth be told, I think the Democratic Party is quite upset overall with its constituencies' pick for president. They wanted Hillary and are swallowing a spoonful of medicine they would rather not. It's also obvious that the Clintons and the Baracans hate each other.

It's going to be an interesting election.

jcc64 replied:

This is only true for a small portion of the party, at this point. I will say what many people are timidly tiptoeing around: there are some people for whom a black candidate would never be acceptable, regardless of his/her qualifications. Those are primarily the people who are not happy, and I don't think the party has any obligation to satisfy that type of voter.
I would also point out that the Republicans seem to be less than enthusiastic about their party's choice. I recall Limbaugh et al having a cow about McCain's lack of conservative creds, though in true Republican fashion, the party is much more adept at closing ranks and supporting its candidates, regardless of intra-party differences.
And Ed, I'm sorry, but you wouldn't like it one bit if you were subjected to the sex discrimination i referenced earlier. Regardless of the cost to the almighty market, sometimes gov't is obligated to step in and do the right thing by us (and we do comprise 51% of the population). If you want to take this up in another thread, I'll meet you over there....

mammag replied:
I disagree. It is another example of how one person talks and the other acts. If he can't even practice what he preaches how are we to believe that he would actually deliver on his beautiful words??

PrairieMom replied:
Could you start a new thread about it? I am interested in what you have to say.

MommyToAshley replied:
I think it is more than that. I think the democratic party is upset with the entire process of the primary including the super-delegate system. I am not a democrat, but from what I understand, there is a large group within the dmocratic party that feel cheated. There was the issue with Michigan and Florida delegates, and some feel Hillary would have actually won the majority of the popular vote yet didn't have the highest number of delegates (sound familiar?). Although, those same people probably would not be crying foul if the outcome had been reversed. I have to admit I am happy with the outcome, because if a democrat is put into office, I'd rather it be Obama than Hillary. However, most republicans would have preffered Hillary as she would be easier to beat in the general election.

Personally, I am not happy with the candidates of either party. However, the republican party overall has been behind McCain from the very beginning. There's been little divide and he was an obvious front-runner from the beginning of the primary. Rush Limbaugh is loud, but despite what he thinks, he does not speak for the republican party and many times he is not even in tune with what is going on. Some of the things he's done, like his drug addition, enciting people to riot, has caused him to loose a lot of respect in my book.

jcc64 replied: I really enjoy picking your brain about Republican politics Dee Dee, you're so rational and informed, and it seems like you really deliberate before you form an opinion. I really do have the idea that Rush wields an ENORMOUS amount of power in Republican politics, I would be thrilled to know that saner heads do prevail.
About McCain, it's hard to believe we've been watching the same nomination process, because I've had the idea all along that the party was less than thrilled with their choices this time around. McCain jumped out ahead early, but that was in front of a pretty weak field. Romney's religion was obviously a deal-breaker for many people, and I don't even remember the other guy down south. As I recall, McCain's campaign was nearly broke at one time- that doesn't sound like solid party support to me. Then again, the press loves to stir the pot, maybe I'm just responding to their manipulations.
I'm glad he's the nominee, b/c once-upon-a-time, I used to admire him. That was back in the campaign finance reform days, but once he appeared at the Republican convention and spoke on Bush's behalf, after what Bush did to him during the primaries, I lost all respect for him. And after the statement that we might be in Iraq for 100 yrs, I was done.

Crystalina replied: I think they totally hate each other. I'm sure most know that I'm a "Clinton Lover"...Hillary to be more exact...but I really think Obama is only doing it to win us CL's over. He wants to trip her every time she comes out and we all know it. It's all politics. Hillary despises him just as much but she doesn't want to seem like a sore loser or that she's only for 'Change' as long as it's her that's making it. Oh, and I'm sure Michelle totally snarles at those solid color pant suits.


Michelle (to me) is very well put together and for some reason when she's on t.v. I can't help but just stop and listen to everything she says. She's very beautiful and for some reason amazes me.