well, it's about time!

cameragirl21 wrote: so the Duggar family is preggo with number 17, a girl, and they plan to name her Jennifer!
idk, what with funky names like Jinger, Jessa and Jedidiah i think they'll finally get this one right.
i must say, while i think they're more than a bit weird, they do seem like nice people (for the most part) but i was mildly offended that with 16 J names, not a single one of their kids was called Jennifer.
guess number 17 is a charm.

gr33n3y3z replied: she is a human Pezz machine

When you get your OLDER children to take care of YOUR other kids its to many its time to stop when you cant take care of what YOU produce!!

mom21kid2dogs replied: Maybe they were saving the name for their "perfect" kid!!

cameragirl21 replied: oh, ita, Lisa, they are beyond nuts...if you need your older kids to care for your youngsters then it's way past time to stop imo.
but i'm glad they at least got one of the names right though.
i love the name Joshua, the name of their oldest...from there it all went downhill.
and Cheryl, we Jennifers are perfect...when we're sleeping, or so my parents and grandparents used to say about me when i was little.

lovemy2 replied:


You just started my day with one of the best laughs I have had in a loooong time

I do have to ask though - with 17 kids when do they have time to DTD???? We hardly manage and only have 2

PrairieMom replied:
you just get the oldest 2 to watch everyone else. no problem. It must be like at daycare where all the kids tend to follow the pack. its probably easier to have 17 kids 3.

lisar replied: Better her than me. There aint no way I would spit out that many. I have to agree though she has to have the older ones watch the younger ones its just not fair to them.

luvbug00 replied:

ITA

stella6979 replied: Now don't get me wrong, they do seem like nice people, and I'm glad that all of their children are healthy, but having that many children just seems ridiculous to me. I mean, when do you say "enough is enough"?

coasterqueen replied: Jennifer you are so funny! Glad they finally named one after you.

As far as the number of kids - while I think that woman is nuts for having so many kids, I see all this from a different angle. My father was one of 13 children (well 2 were stillborn at birth) and I've asked him about this. While he did have to help take care of his brothers and sisters he didn't see it as that. They were all best friends, had a great time together and felt like family - not like they were having to be parents to the younger ones. Although my father's circumstances were different. His mother died when the youngest was 5 and my grandfather got injured around that same time and could barely work so my dad being the oldest boy (18 at that time) had to grow up and help more than he should have, but he still doesn't see it that he had to "parent" anyone.

I think we, on the outside looking in, see it that way, but those children might just see it completely different. My dad had to help "raise" his younger siblings, but he never once felt like that is what he did.

Just food for thought.

Boo&BugsMom replied: I actually have a lot of respect for that family. I myself could never do it. The children seem like they are very well-mannered and educated and they do not get any state aid contrary to what many believe. It seems like all the children will become very productive and respectful members of society. Some people can't even raise one child that way, let alone 17-18. I actually thought she gave birth to her 18th? I guess it's easy to lose count.

Mommyof3 replied: I would love to have a huge family, but there is no way I could pop out that many!!!

Boo&BugsMom replied:

Kaitlin'smom replied: I just find it amazing, odd yes in todays world but amazing....so how many are needed for a football teem?

Mommy2BAK replied: I KNOW THEM!!! As a matter of fact I saw some of them 2 weeks ago.

moped replied:
That is cool Tamara

Mommy2Isabella replied: WOW!! 17 Kids, I don't really enjoy being pregnant ... so ... that isn't for me. I don't think I would want a family that large though.

Sal and I met a couple around here, they had 6 kids, she was pregnant with the 7th, but they planned on having more.

I am a whimp, I am done after this one(s) ...

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

IDK-which one of your children would you 'give back'? Just a thought.....

stella6979 replied:
If they have the means to take care of them and are able to send them all to college, then so be it, but I would never want that many kids.
And to answer your question, I would never give any of my kids "back" and wouldn't expect anyone else too, I was just questioning, when enough is enough.

Calimama replied: Congratulations to them.

msoulz replied:
OMG, me too!!!

luvbug00 replied:

and if one cured canceer that would be lovely but you could ask the same of all the children lost threw miscarraige, abortion and Famine and diease. They can get money for their educations and all that threw scholorships. That's not my issue. But look at our resources and the plummit of our enviornment. overpoplualtion and such are doomed to follow if all families felt is is ok to have this many children. China has a limit because of population and we are going to start catching up and i wouldn't be surprised if a limit on kids were put into effect soon. The world cannot sustian our lifeforms if we abuse it with bringing on things that take up exsessive amounts of our resourses. 19 kids is an exsessive amount.

cameragirl21 replied: ok, guys, i really didn't mean for this to turn controversial, i was just happy that on their 17th try, they're finally getting a Jennifer. I really was mildly offended that of all their J named kids, none of them were called Jennifer and i have mentioned that here before during previous Duggar inspired discussions.
at any rate, for the most part i do agree with Nadia--one family having that many kids really is environmentally irresponsible. however, that is of course, their choice. i totally don't agree with their family lifestyle with the oldest tending to the youngest and am really not a fan of homeschooling at all (and i realize that this too is a controversial topic and i mean no disrespect whatsoever to those of you who homeschool, this is jmo and nothing more than that) but to each his own and on a personal level, i really don't care how many kids they have, that's their business, not mine.
but i don't think they should be surprised if some of us think they're nuts or "judge" them...they put themselves on national tv and in magazines (which is how i found out about the soon to be Jennifer that is entering their lives) so they should expect that IMO.

moped replied: Were you seriously mildly offended that they didn't use jennifer til now?????

Boo&BugsMom replied:
That is very cool. I would LOVE to meet their mom. I want to ask her where she gets all her patience! They all seem like such loving and down to Earth people. You can't have too many of those types on Earth. Like I said, some people can't even raise one child up right. She's doing it with 17! Bravo to her.

HuskerMom replied: Wow 17? That's crazy but cool. My cousin has 7 and I wouldn't be surprised if she had a few more. I'm waiting til I hear she's pregnant again. Her and her hubby originally wanted 6 but apprantly they're not stopping there.

my2monkeyboys replied: I know a family that has the same mentality as the Duggar family in that they think the more the merrier. However, this family is trying for number 7 and all but the first one was born using medic-aid. Of course, the more they have the easier it is to receive gov't help, too/. And honestly, that is really all I am concerned about. If you can afford to have them, then why not? I think the Duggar family must be a very loving, patient and happy family. I respect them very much bc they are doing this on their own and seem to be raising better children than what I've seen running around here lately. And, yes, I'm including my own sometimes, too!


Glad you finally got one with your name, Jennifer!

luvbug00 replied: Oh i'm not trying to debate anything it's just my opinion. I'd like my chidren and grandchidren to share in this world of ours and In MY opinion by them having sooo many children (and maybe inspiring others to have that many children) it isn't enviornmentaly helpful.

jcc64 replied: Well, I'd love to hear Tamara's take on them, because really it's impossible to "know" them based on a heavily edited tv show or two. Access to their family may have been predicated on final control over how the footage gets edited, kwim? Nobody, whether they have 1 kid or 20, is THAT happy, calm, or at peace with their lives 24/7. Based on the tv shows, they all seem like lovely people, and they may be, but for many reasons, I don't agree with some of their choices. I do feel entitled to say that b/c, hey, they put their lives out there for all to scrutinze, right?
One thought, which is incredibly shallow, but whenever the Duggar thing comes up, I am perenially perplexed by that woman's hair. I think she happens to be a very attractive lady, considering all that her body's been through, but, man, that hair- there's gotta be a better look for her, don't you think??

moped replied: OH I have thought that a thousand times about her hair!

Maddie&EthansMom replied:
We've had this discussion before, but I had to add that Jeanne you made me LMAO about the hair comment!!!

TANNER'S MOM replied: Well I don't know them KNOw them. I have seen them in stores shopping and I do know people who know them and attend church with them. I will say it's not a choice I could make for me or my body. But I guess if they are tax paying Americans then more power to them. Most people would say my 4 is too many. But not for me. I don't want more, and I didn't start out wanting 4 but life happens, I had some and I inherited some..but we are a family no doubt about it. I think if the older ones do have the responsibility of actually raisin.g their siblings that is wrong. But I have no idea what goes in there homes.

As far as what she is doing to the envirmorment. I am sure if any one is thinking about the future it's her. I am sure they have to conserve and recycle where a smaller family might blow it off.

On the people in China only being allowed 2 children, and it happening here. I would like to point to out that we are in AMERICA. That will not happen here, we are free country and free to choose. If I am alowed to have a pasture full of horses for me to raise, then she is allowed to have a yard full of kids, as long as she raises them not the goverment. If our goverment takes a step like then we will be communist. And I can't see that happening anytime soon.

I think she is of the mindset that God has the whole world in his hands, he is giving her blessings as he sees fit. How am I to judge what God wants. I do not think it's wrong to us BC but I know alot of religions do.

On her hair, yes she could do more with it. When they show the pics of her as a young woman she was very beautiful. I know her religion thinks a womans hair is her glory, but she does need a bit of a make over. But that is vanity to her I am sure and vanity is one of the 7 deadly's.

And most of her children have Bible names, I didn't know Jennifer was in the bible. Might be.. I can't remember.. but that might be why it took her so long to get there. My ex's family was a family of 8, and all started with J's. Their Mom never it get it right ever,and still doesn't. Let's see,, she had Jimmy, Johnny, Joey, Jason, Joshua, Jennifer, Jeremy, and Jackson who passed a way. And I added a Justin to stay with the J's.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
Me too.

Boo&BugsMom replied: Mel you summed up what my feelings are pretty well.

moped replied: Yeah I thought they were all biblical names - but wasn't sure....Jennifer I am sure is not a biblical name!!!!!

Anthony275 replied: i found this out back in april, it seems like every monday night when im watching tlc its always a special duggar episode. im surprised theres no jacob concidering thats a very popular name
and shes only 41
edit: for the biblical names the kids' middle names are, i remember seeing a johanna faith but this one is jennifer danielle. i mean i know jinger isnt a biblical name

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

luvbug00 replied:

which is again fine if she chooses not to use BC as per her religon. I respect that. Noone is saying she should. but there are ways to have intamacy with ones husband without resulting in 19 children. and that's all i'm a goona say.

cameragirl21 replied: yeah, her hair has to go but again, her choice, not mine.
and no, Jennifer is not a biblical name, it's the Americanized version of the English name Guinevere, who was the wife of King Arthur of Camelot.
i'm just proud because i happen to think Jennifer is one of the best of the J names but i suppose i may be a little biased.
edit to say--Nadia, their intention is to have a busload of kids (literally, they travel via school bus), it's not because they don't believe in BC per se, they just want a bunch of kids. that is what i don't understand. how can you possibly give enough 1 on 1 attention to each one when you have to color code them all when going out in public just to keep track of them all?

jcc64 replied: I freely admit I am no biblical scholar, but is "Jinger" in the bible??

Miranda1127 replied:
Hahahahaha, omg Hahahaha. you made me laugh out loud for real

Boo&BugsMom replied:
I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

Jennifer, I see it this way...the mom schooling and raising 17 children is no different to me than when a daycare teacher has 13-18 kids by herself all day as well (here is WI a preschool teacher can have that many legally). And a mother's love is far greater than that for her own children. And when you have a mixture of teenagers and younger ones, it's much easier to handle the load then persay 13 preschoolers by yourself.

Danalana replied: I read about them in People magazine today...she says she would love to have lots more As much as I want kids, I think you should draw the line at 15
Oh, and I love the name Josiah

Cece00 replied: I think they are great! The parents might be a bit crazy (lol) but I think they are very loving, and even though I think the older ones might have to 'parent' the little ones a bit, they arent on welfare, they are polite, and I bet they will be productive members of society. More families should aspire to be like them (maybe without so many kids )

I always thought it would be fun to have a BIG family. I was an only child, which is why I have 4 kids. Honestly, if we had more $$ and a bigger house, we may have had MORE kids but we felt pretty stretched with our current resources, and I have always said I wanted to have my kids pretty young and STOP having my kids pretty young. But sometimes I still think it would be great fun to have a bunch of kids- the house is never quiet/boring, must be great to always have so many playmates/friends, etc. I probably never wouldve had like 19, but I did use to say I would like 8.

Also, I believe Jedidiah is a biblical name, and they probably try to use as many biblical J names as possible, but apparently have run out, as Jinger & Jessa & Jennifer are not in the bible.

And, I think the thing w/ them having so many kids is that they believe that children are a blessing, and that they are content to have as many blessings as god would give them, which is apparently quite a few. I believe the terminology for that is "quiverful".

Mommy2BAK replied: I find it very intriging when people have such solid opinions about something they have no experience in.

my2monkeyboys replied:
You know, you're right. I think that's true on both sides of this situation... none of us really know, yet we all speak as though we've been living it for years.
Excellent point...

Hillbilly Housewife replied: OMG Lisa I spit out my coffee choking with tears in my eyes! Human Pezz machine! OMG I have to remember that one.

My dad was one of 13 (2 stillborn), my MIL was one of 14, my FIL was one of 7. My mom is only one of 3, which is probably why she doesn't want me to even think of having more children.

I'd love to have more children - but at this moment in time, my patience isn't what it's cracked up to be.

It's not about money, to raise your children. It's about providing for them... I read this blog onw and then, and the author hit the nail on the head about this subject a few days ago, although the Duggars are not indebted to anyone, and don't use services like the ones in this article. I find VA to be absolutely brilliant. Of course, I'm very cynical, so it's my kind of read.

http://www.violentacres.com/archives/198/w...urnal-of-course

http://www.violentacres.com/archives/185/i...r-your-children

http://www.violentacres.com/archives/201/t...-welfare-system

gr33n3y3z replied: What kind of work does the Father do?

jcc64 replied: Idk what he does for a living, but I do know he ran unsuccessfully for some kind of political office.

Boo&BugsMom replied: They are both licensed real estate agents.

tammyhopkins replied: I would not want 17 but think of the parenting skills she has WOW. When does your body say enough is enough. i would be wishing for menopause

cameragirl21 replied: i totally agree that they seem to have excellent parenting skills from what i can see and also that their kids seem well mannered and all but i guess my issue is this--children are all very individual in their talents, ideas, hopes, dreams, etc and when you have this many and this much structure and rules, it really is impossible (or at least nearly so) to determine what each one wants and is good at.
for instance, i come from a very musical family so my parents sent me to piano lessons as soon as they could afford it. i was very good at the piano...performing pieces by Beethoven live and before a public audience by the age of 7 BUT what my teachers at school noticed is that my artistic skills were WAY above the other kids and they literally begged my parents to enroll me in art classes but my family, while very appreciative of art and the arts in general was never really artistic per se so my mom didn't see the point. now i want to stress that this post is so NOT about blaming my parents because they did what they thought was best and that is what all good parents do IMO but the thing is that while I was good at the piano, i was way too restless to sit still and practice for hours and hours each day so i was never going to make a career of it BUT had i gotten the art lessons, i'd have a tremendous advantage today and i'd already know a lot of the things that i am now struggling to learn.
i still became an artist in the end so i guess all's well that ends well but my original plan in college was to be a doctor and i didn't take a single art or photography class all thru high school or college. had i had art classes, i'd definitely have figured out a lot sooner what i wanted to do with my life (professionallly) and like i said, i'd know so much more than i do now.
my point here is to say that i think it's so important to focus on what kids are good at and are interested in as opposed to what the parents think is important, like piano lessons were in my house.
up until very recently, i believed that if a child doesn't play an instrument then it doesn't matter if his/her IQ is off the charts and s/he is excelling at the nation's best private school...without an instrument, his/her education was not complete, this was my thinking. i realized very recently that i was raised to think this way, which is precisely why i thought this way...but can you really say that someone who wins art awards or dances well enough to get into Juilliard is not fully educated because s/he doesn't play a musical instrument?!
bottom line, from what i can see, the Duggar house is VERY structured. it seems that every moment of those children's lives is structured with a few minutes set aside each day for them to go to the bathroom. also, they all play the piano and cello (or some string instrument). again, i think it's great that they are so well educated and that their education is so well rounded but do you really believe that all 17 kids have musical talent and/or desire? what if one of them would rather study ballet or painting or singing? when you have this much structure it really is nearly impossible to see what any of them really wants or really to get to know each one...how can you when they all have assigned tasks throughout the day? what do the parents know of these children's hopes and dreams or do they even have any?
i seriously wonder if any of these children has ever had a single original thought of their own. how can they when they're always told what to do, where to go, what to wear, which room to clean, which younger kid to attend to, etc?
once again, this is JMO and should not be taken as anything more than that but someone had asked earlier in the thread why any of us would care how many they have and again, it's not that i care but these are my thoughts as to why i don't agree with what they're doing. every child's dream is unique and should be nurtured to the best of the parents' abilities...the parents dreams and desires should not IMO be imposed on the children.
and it's true i don't know them and haven't seen for myself but i've seen quite a few programs about them and read quite a bit about them and this is the image they've sent out to the public so they can't really fault anyone for seeing things the way i do.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
Not to sound rude Jennifer, but this makes absolutely no sense to me. Actually, in one of their episodes it talks about what each child wants to be when they grow up. One said a missionary and one said a police officer. All very diverse. I don't see how having so many kids could attribute to not knowing what your child likes and dislikes and fostering them, esp. when you are homeschooling your child like Michelle Duggar does.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
This is our job as a parent no matter how many children we have.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

This statement to me is absolutely ... Each of my siblings have very diverse talents and goals. Each of the Duggar children seem to have the same. I do not see how you can say you are opposed to homeschooling and this many children in one house and fully support the public school system for it's diversity when school teachers have MORE children in their classes and know the kids in them for a few hours a day as opposed to all their lives.....Perhaps when you have children you will come to understand the ability of a mother to know the dreams of each of her children and the desire of a mother to see each of those dreams come to fruition

PrairieMom replied:
Really, does it matter if the mother knows the dreams of her child or not? as long as the CHILD knows what its dreams are, and is allowed to express them selves? I don't think that the # of children you have makes you a good or bad mother, as far as "knowing" your child, it depends on the time you spend with them. There are some parents out there that only have 1 child and have no clue what their dreams are, because they never took the time to ask.

I don't know. I say to each his own. 17 kids isn't right for me or my family, but if it is working for them, then more power to them. I do think its a little excessive, with 17 kids, how can little things like birthdays, and mile stones be as special? I guess you would have to walk in their shoes to really know.

Calimama replied:
It's no where near impossible. These are her kids, regardless if there is 3 or 30 you know each and every one of your children. You know their hopes, their dreams, and their desires. I bet if you asked her what each and EVERY one of her kids was good at she could list 50 things for each kid. These aren't strangers living together, these are her children.

Mommy2BAK replied:
my thoughts exactly

Mommy2BAK replied:
Oh I'm sorry I just now actually took the time to read this whole thread. As far as me knowing them... it seems to fall to the wasteside as much as you all seem to know about them. I am from the same town as them... their old house was right next door to my church/school... we preiodically have spoken and played with the children over the years, and definately seen them around town quite often. I must say, those children scare me at how well behaved they act. They have obviously had superb parenting to all be so well mannered. Anywho~ I don't read up on them or anything like that, and when I saw them (well not all of them) at the Demolition Derby (haha I'm from Arkansas can't you tell) a few weeks ago I didn't think she was pregnant anymore, but then again I didn't really make it a point to stare.

Anyways, I feel silly for even saying that I knew them now that I see how much many of you have actually studied up on the All I know is that they are very well respected in our community and thats because they are WONDERFUL people!

Oh- and as far as her hair, I don't think her looks are what she really focuses her attention on... many people (myself included) could probably learn a few things from her.

Boo&BugsMom replied: http://www.jimbob.info/

Here is their family website.

Boo&BugsMom replied: I just want to add that just because they put their lives "out there" doesn't give anyone free reign to judge them. Personally, I think it's a pretty lame excuse to use just to critisize someone. JMO.

cameragirl21 replied: well...as always, i'm very glad we can have a nice, productive and non-confrontational discussion here on pc.
sometimes i honestly feel like i speak a different language and certain people just can't understand me. that said, i'll revert to what Lisa said because somehow everyone understood her and what she said was simple and to the point--Michelle Duggar is a human Pezz dispenser.
Thanks, Lisa, well put and my thoughts exactly.

PrairieMom replied:
Poor jennifer. Sometimes I feel like you are a human dartboard. I'm still gonna let you know if I disagree with you tho.

Anthony275 replied: in last weeks people magazine, it states that after their first child they THREW OUT the birth control. she says raising the kids is much easier than the past when she had 5. all the kids have duties to do around the house and they help with the schoolwork, laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc.. since all the kids have a buddy for help, she's not really doing much. remember, her kids are raised diffrently than what you think; its kinda sick with how nice they are with each other

if you look on wikipedia it states jim bob ran as a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002 (but he lost) and his campaign photo has a jesus fish on it. i rememebr a special they had on tv when they had 12 kids or something like that that he worked at a super market with the stocks or something so thats how the pantry is all organized (their pantry is actually in their garage)

i think all the stress michelle and jim bob have is relieved by making another kid

TANNER'S MOM replied:
Actualy she shops at Aldi's I know b/c I see them there. She also shops at the Bread store here, where you get bread products at discount rates, I know b/c I saw them there. They actually work in Real Estate and have ownership in some convient stores.

Oh on does she conseve. I would like to point out ways she does conserve. First of all she sews the girls clothes. They they wear hand me downs...nothing wasted there. I am sure she isn't buying clothes produced over seas. She is going with the true American Made. I know they only take so many trips to town, and try to do it all when they go. To conserve on gas, and because how fun would it be to go to Wal Mart with 17 kids.. From what I have seen on TV, they have no left overs, they eat what they make or have leftovers for lunch. I know they enegry effient appliances to help conserve water and electric. I think she converse because with 17 children it would be a way of life.

Hillbilly Housewife replied: As funky as her family seems... I'd love to be as efficient, organized and calm as her, and I'd love for my three kids to be half as well-mannered as hers are.



As for talents etc... we don't know the whole story... but here's mine. I was forced to participate in all sorts of things when I was younger - I took ballet, tap\jazz, karate, gymnastics, swimming, piano, cartooning and painting, violin, guitar. I didn't have a CHOICE. My mom made me. I resented her for that. I wilsh she would have let me pick one or two, and go from there. But now, I teach piano, violin and voice coaching in my home. I have sold a few paintings in the past.

As for my kids - they each have a small guitar. Dh and I have an acoustic and an electric. Sometimes, we jam together, and the kids join in. Even tho they suck.

I give Zach piano lessons, he can play a few simple one handed tunes. I bought him a violin last year for his birthday. I'm not going to force WHICH instrument the kids will play...but I am going to force them to learn one. I'm not opposed to buying several until they find what they want.

And who in their right mind doesn't use hand-me-downs?

jcc64 replied:


Oh really, that's funny, b/c I think there's plenty of judging going on right here at PC all the time, particularly aimed at certain members. When one member in particular opens her mouth to express an opinion about pretty much ANYTHING, there are certain other members who feel it's an invitation to pile on. Happened right here on this thread. And it's getting very very old already.

TheOaf66 replied:
I don't think it is like that, I think it is just differing opinions that seem to happen frequently that's all...just spirited conversation

Boo&BugsMom replied:
My point was the REASONING! There is a reason for everything, but it doesn't make it right.

Thank you Troy. I agree.

holley79 replied: Well more power to her is all I have say.

Lisa I almost chocked on my chocolate covered peanuts. My mom abotu died when I told her.

A&A'smommy replied: wow 17 kids... I couldn't do it!!!! We have a family around here that has 6 kids they want 9... He is doctor and their oldest, a little girl is only 9 or 10 she takes dance from us and she is VERY mature for her age.

luvmykids replied: Personally, I'm not sure why people get so riled up over this family. They're not bothering anyone, they aren't doing anything harmful to the kids, and they sure aren't commenting on any of us. I think if it works for them, great, and I admire them in spite of things I may disagree with for the simple fact that they in some ways seem to be doing a better job than I do with my three

Twelve Volt Man replied:
I guess I see your point, but I don't agree with it. An apparently loving and capable set of parents providing what appears to be a good home, to me, is not irresponsible. Is their large family unusual? Perhaps. Personally, though, I find drug dealers, prostitutes, and criminals, who breed like rabbits and fail to provide a proper home for the several children they inevitably seem to have, as being far more environmentally irresponsible. Just my two cents.

Anthony275 replied: ODB from Wu-Tang Clan had about 16 children from multiple women before he died...

its just unusual for this time period, my grandma had about 10-12 siblings

MyBrownEyedBoy replied: Okay, back to the original topic. I have always wondered how they could come up with so many J names and not have a Jennifer. Glad they have one now.

luvmykids replied:
Well said, Twelve Volt.

I'm curious to know, who exactly should decide the magic cut off number that is environmentally responsible per family? There are people without children that are just as or far more wasteful. If we allowed every family two children, like China, then the Duggars are just making up for the many folks who choose not to have their two. That would mean they could have hundreds more and still not put the planet on overload

jcc64 replied: They could keep having kids till the woman's uterus drops out on the floor, for all I care. They seem to be managing, so whatever floats your boat.
What I object to here is the tone of the dissent, particularly as it's directed at Jen. It just really ruins what could be an interesting conversation, imo. I really wish it would stop already.

gr33n3y3z replied:
lol I agree with that

yes I also agree about tone of the dissent here

MyBrownEyedBoy replied:
My sentiments exactly.
And people keep wondering why she disappears. I appreciate Jennifer's strength for coming back.

gr33n3y3z replied:
Its just not her its many others
why do you think the post count is down?
bc we have snippy ppl. here its their way only

I would like to see this happen if ppl. can post how they feel and not have to post any more to defend it Just post once ppl. its not that hard