bible allowed in ky schools - (play nice! lol)
luvbug00 wrote: http://www.wlky.com/r/26818810/detail.html
thoughts??
coasterqueen replied: Wrong. Why? Because what about all the other religions that don't go by the Bible? What version of the Bible are they going to use (as a DIL of a Jehovah Witness would expect me to ask  )? I think if you want to use the bible in school, you should be going to a private school.
I personally do not care one way or the other because I'm all for my children learning all kinds of religion. I'm not one to feel right about forcing only ONE religion, the one I feel is right, because they are unique individuals and deserve the opportunity to decide for themselves and they can't if I only make one religion known to them and the Bible doesn't teach them all religions.
I know, I'm gonna get creamed here.
MommyToAshley replied: I remember when I was in school (I believe jr. high), we studied the Bible in English class. However, they were very specific to send home notes that we were studying it as a literary piece and not studying or practicing a specific religion.
stella6979 replied:
No bashing here! I agree 100%!
A&A'smommy replied: breaks my heart!!! This country was built on religious freedom and we are slowly loosing that.
boyohboyohboy replied: Well, maybe they could do what they do for sex Ed. Class, and let the parents opt out if they feel it's not appropriate for their kids.
A&A'smommy replied: ok was slightly distracted.. haven't read the article yet. I just saw that it is "allowed"
mom21kid2dogs replied: Sounds like needless legislation to me. If there is nothing preventing schools in KY from adding this course to their curriculm already why would you bother with a bill? If the schools were interested in adding this to their social studies agenda, I would think they would have already done that. It actually seems like something that might backfire to me. I doubt it will pass the house again but by bringing it to the forefront one might risk a bill closing the door to teach it in KY. I agree with Senator Meeks~just meat for the political dogs.
Our HS (keep in mind I graduated in '77 before all of you were born  ) taught a class on World Religions. It was interesting. It was, as Dee Dee mentioned, mostly literary in nature and not meant to sway someone one way or another. I would have no objection to that kind of course. Like Karen mentioned, there are several versions/translations of the Bible So it's not as cut and dry of an issue as it may appear on the surface.
msoulz replied: Or, like many classes, let it be an elective and not a mandatory class so those with interest can choose it and those without interest will go to ...
Just kidding about the going to you-know-where.
mom21kid2dogs replied:
Swood75 replied:
ITA 100%
jcc64 replied: This country was also built on freedom FROM religion, and I am sure I too will be slammed for saying this. Absolutely no one is being prevented from practicing religion by keeping it out of the public schools. People can worship in church, at home, at social gatherings, etc. Like Karen, I believe that people who want their children's education co-mingled with religious doctrine should send their children to private schools.
cameragirl21 replied: I thought the whole point of public school was that there would be no study of religion. The bible as a literary work has merit in that sense but for that one would have to study it in a literature or English class and not treat it as a religious work and simply comment on the allegories, etc it contains.
Anyone wishing their kids to study the bible should send them to Sunday school.
I'll be honest--this is precisely why I am wary to ever vote for republicans--in as much as I am very liberal socially, fiscally I'm somewhat more conservative and on some issues may feel I'm more in tune with some repub candidates than the dem ones but there is no way I'd want to have bible study in public schools here in FL and I don't really see how it's necessary or how it benefits a child's education in any way. To me it is simple indoctrination and a public school is not the place for that.
my2monkeyboys replied: I believe this country was founded as a Christian country, but one that you didn't have to be a Christian to be part of. That being said, I don't want a government-run school system teaching my kids about sex or spirituality. It is there to teach the 3 R's, and that's it. If I want my children to know what a homosexual is, how to prevent pregnancy, or what Christians or Buddhists believe, I'll teach them, thank you very much.
I would not be against them teaching about religions from a historical view, but anything beyond that is not something I want them in charge of.
boyohboyohboy replied:
Yep!
~Roo'sMama~ replied:
Well said. 
PrairieMom replied:
please explain.
PrairieMom replied:
my2monkeyboys replied: Tara, I believe they are referring to how, many times, it feels Christians are being left out, pushed aside, discriminated against in our society now.
I may be off, but I *think* that is what they are talking about.
jcc64 replied:
I've heard this claim before, and every time, it blows my mind. First of all, this country was explicitly NOT founded as a Christian country, or any other kind of religion, for that matter. Absolutely nowhere in any of the founding documents on which our laws are based is there any mention of this being a "Christian" country. The fact that many people believe otherwise is testament to the fact that Christianity nonetheless dominates this country in countless ways--there are references to God in our pledge of allegiance and on our money--how much more present can you get? Dollar bills don't say "In Buddha we trust" or "In the Sun God we trust" or "Allah" or anyone else. Why does the President end every speech with "God bless America?" Non-Christians have absolutely NO CHANCE of even being considered as viable presidential candidates. What does that tell you?
I understand that the majority of people in this country practice Christianity, and that it's a major part of their lives, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to push aside the protections deliberately put in place by our founding fathers. The wording of the founding documents is not surprising, given the fact that the people who originally settled this country fled Europe as a religious MINORITY, not majority.
When some Christians complain about being "left out" or "pushed aside," despite being THE dominant religion in this country, I believe what they are really expressing is a frustration with not being allowed to easily push aside the laws that were put into place by our forefathers to protect religious minorities from being swallowed up by any one dominant religion. Being prevented from violating the Constitution is not akin to being discriminated against. Not even close.
PrairieMom replied:
yeah, I don't understand that argument either. I guess I am looking for specific instances where Christians are being discriminated against.
I am a Christian , and I don't feel discriminated against at all, However, I am mindful of other people, and other religions, tolerant I guess, so I don't feel like my religion is being pushed away to make room for others, because I am not pushing other religions away to make room for mine.
Does that make sense?
I have low blood sugar and need to find something to eat. My brain is a bit foggy. 
my2monkeyboys replied: I think it was founded as a Christian country if for no other reason than the fact that there were witch trials... if they really were after religious freedom for all (not just for themselves from Catholocism) then even the witches would have been tolerated, kwim?
The fact that 'God' is on our money and such just reinforces that idea.
Anyway, as for the descrimination, it seems I have heard of some instances over the last few years where other religions were allowed to do certain things but the Christians/Christianity was not.... can't remember specific things, but just remember events that made me wonder. (Blasted numb mind! LOL)
my2monkeyboys replied: Double post
PrairieMom replied:
the salem witch trials happened in the 1690s. Our country wasn't founded until over a hundred years later. I think that our country was founded by Christians , with the intent of having religous freedom.
cameragirl21 replied: The Salem Witch Trials were in 1694 and our country was founded in 1776 by Unitarian Universalists who while technically listed as a Protestant faith, do NOT believe in Jesus as the son of God or the Messiah so they really are not true Christians in the technical sense of the word.
Our country could be considered a Christian country only in the sense that we follow the Christian calendar (which goes by the time before Christ vs after) and because Sunday is considered a day no one should work (except those in retail, etc) and we always get Christian holidays off of work, school, etc but our founding fathers did not intend for this nation to be affiliated with any religion and would be horrified at the bible being taught in school...of course to be fair, they'd also be horrified at the idea of women and African Americans voting so Idk how much we can invoke their wishes with respect to these sorts of things. But to say the US was founded as a Christian nation is definitely false.
Oh, and also, the reason our Pledge of Allegiance has the words "under God" is that they were added during the 60s (I believe that was the time) by Congress to spite the Soviets who as commies did not believe in God. There was no religious basis for this, it was solely a jab at our enemies of the time.
Also, just as a tidbit of info, if you notice the six pointed star that sheriffs wear, among other places in the government you will see six pointed stars, this was done out of respect for Jews whose money funded the founding of our nation so depending on how you want to look at it, one could just as easily claim that the US is a Jewish nation becuase it is Jewish money that made it possible. Not claiming it IS a Jewish nation, just saying that if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, other groups besides Christians can claim this nation just as easily with just as much basis in reality.
msoulz replied:
An interesting point I believe not many have pondered...
A&A'smommy replied:
No, this is NOT at all what I mean I just don't want to government telling me that my children can't take their bibles to school. I'm not saying that my child shouldn pull out her bible when she is suppose to be listening to the teacher, I'm just saying I don't want the government to telll me that my child can't take her bible to school. I really don't think anyone said that teachers should read the bible in school. I don't like Sex education either and I certaintly don't want them confusing my children by teaching budhism or any other "religion", in my house christianity is NOT religion its a relationship with Christ.
Were blessed I have to say to live where we do, we have many teachers in our school system that teach bible studies before school. One of which is at our middle school (they got permission before starting it). I also know of at least one history teacher that has taught about Jesus in the classroom, which not a soul thought "WAIT STOP your not suppose to talk about religion at school" while she probably would have been fired if she taught that anywhere else.
PrairieMom replied:
Have your children been told not to bring their bibles to school? Like for use during free reading time? And are other children allowed to bring their religious books to school?
coasterqueen replied:
Yeah, I was going to ask the same thing......I don't think the article at all has to do with can you bring your bible to school. It's about teaching the bible in school.
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