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Ugh Ugh Ugh... MRSA in pubic schools here

MommyToAshley wrote: MRSA is in the public school system where we live. Some of the schools right down the street were closed down to sanitize the schools. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. I hate this. Ashley doesn't go to this public school, but it is still in our neighborhood. And, private schools are just as likely to get MRSA as the public schools. I am not going to lie, this makes me VERY nervous. Some may think it is media hype, but I am taking it seriously. If it shows up in Ashley's school then I will not be sending her to school.

I already carry hand wipes with me everywhere I go, but I am making Ashley wash her hands more frequently now. I hope she doesn't develop some phobia or disorder from all my germ-o-phobiaism and the extra precautions we are taking.

holley79 replied: I was told my my infectious disease Dr that the santizing wipes and hand sanitizer is worthless. Not to scare you or anything Dee Dee. When I had my out break Shawn went through the entire house with diluted bleach and wiped everything down. I was told the best way to prevent it was to keep your hands clean, wipe down surfaces with bleach, and if you have an open sore to keep it covered. There is so much out there anymore.

PrairieMom replied: I hate to scare anyone, but I am willing to bet that if they tested every surface in every school MRSA would show up in all of them. Its been around for ever. Its EVERY WHERE, I think this is the new cool "bug" that everyone is focusing on, just like we were all freaked out about avian flu last year.

holley79 replied: I was tryign to figure out how to word it Tara thank you. The Dr said it has been around for a very long time but just now making news headlines. unsure.gif It's scary stuff for sure. Also a lot of people don't realize that they have some form of staph on the surface of their skin and it has always been there.

boyohboyohboy replied: the thing is, these kids that go to school and have it , also go to the grocery store and to restraunts...and all the places we go. my point is it is everywhere. and i think its our responsibility not to scare our kids, but to keep their hands washed, and remind them not to share things..
as tara said, this has been around a long time. and it is no different then the hype they did on bird flu, and SARS last yr.

i worry too, we all want our kids to be safe.

Cece00 replied: I was going to say the same thing. MRSA is everywhere. It has been for awhile. You could get it from going to a public place, a kid could get it from touching another kid who they dont even go to school with, there are a million ways to get it.

I try not to freak over stuff like that. They ALWAYS have some kind of "scare" going on. Bird flu, SARS, West Nile (esp here as we have a bad mosquito problem), now MRSA. Heck, 2 of my BIL's have gotten staph infections, I think at least one of them was MRSA. We never got it, and I was around them.

We just wash our hands a lot & I do use bleach solutions on a lot of things in my home.

A&A'smommy replied: OH no I'm sorry!!! I hope they are able to keep it contained!!!

DansMom replied: We've had that happening in Michigan too. Immune health makes a big difference---I've been keeping up with the vitamin supplements and hand washing.

momofone replied: To support the immune system we use Gummy Vites Echinecea & Vit. C.
Fruit and veggies also strenghten the immune system. Every little bit helps. happy.gif

Boo&BugsMom replied:
I love Gummy Vites! laugh.gif

I was going to say something like Tara said, btu I like the way she said it better. smile.gif

coasterqueen replied:
Echinecea and Vitamin C are wonderful boost to getting a healthier immune system.

I have to agree some with you Dee Dee. I do (down deep) fear MRSA. I know it's been around forever, but I really just don't want my children to get it. I fear it -- the unknown of where you can pick it up, but I'm trying really hard to just live my life and not freak out about it. Easier said than done.

Anti-bacterial stuff does NOT work against super bugs, though. This is one of the reasons super bugs came about. So much anti-bacterial stuff nowadays that they have become resistant to that and antibiotics. People just overused the anti-bac stuff and it's created the problem.

MommyToAshley replied: I get what you are saying, and I understand that MRSA has been around for awhile. I also realize that staph lives on our bodies, but an MRSA infection and staph living on my child's body are two comletely different things. And, when they are closing schools in my neighborhood and a 15-year-old kid (a healthy 15-year-old, not immune compromised or in the hospital for treatment) dies from it, you bet it scares me. Maybe it is just media hype, but it still scares me. Can you honestly say that if kids in your child's school were hospitalized for MRSA that you would send your child back to that school? There is no way I would, and yes maybe that makes me paranoid but at least she will have less of a chance of being infected while I am paranoid. Again, I really appreciate what you all are saying and I don't plan to live in a bubble. I am not making her stop going out in public, but I am taking extra precautions.

MommyToAshley replied:
That's a good point. She does a decent job of eating fruits and veggies, but I don't always make sure she takes her vitamins. I should start doing that routinely as well... thanks for the reminder.

PrairieMom replied:
I would. I am personally probably carrying more MRSA on me right now than she would be exposed to in everyday situations.

This is just one of many super bugs, and there are more worse ones to come.

MommyToAshley replied: Oh forgot to say, thanks for the info. I also didn't realize that the anti-bacterial gel doesn't work. I am confused, what is the difference in using the anti-bacterial gel and washing with anti-bacterial soap?

MommyToAshley replied:
You are probably right about there being more superbugs out there. But, I would probably avoid any place that had these outbreaks as well.

We all parent differently, and I am sure it is no surprise to any of you that I do tend to be more over-protective.

PrairieMom replied:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I would let my kid swim in a vat of MRSA or anything.
If I needed to visit someone in the hospital that had it I would not bring my children. Actually, my children don't go to the hospital at all because of the germs there, and really, I don't take them to the Dr unless I absolutely have to because I am so scared of what they might come into contact with, but IMO, the chances of them contacting it from that one child in their school is pretty low, considering all the other places is may also be.

coasterqueen replied:
My understanding is non of the anti-bacterials work. What it does is kill the good germs we need. We just use regular good old fashion soap in our house. thumb.gif

boyohboyohboy replied:
I dont see anything wrong with being "over protective", I myself do not believe you can be OVER protective of children. after all they mean the world to us.
i think you can only do the best you can do, and try not to stress yourself out over it, I know thats not easy, I stress out over everything..
I hope that someday they find a way to stop all these diseases from getting to our kids.

kimberley replied: hug.gif hug.gif that is scarily close to home. prayers that you all stay healthy. hug.gif hug.gif

MyBabeMaddie replied: We all have Staph, all over our body, everyone has it.. I bet quite a few of us are just carriers of MRSA -

It really irks me tho to be in the hospital and see these isolation patients with MRSA and Dr's and Nurses walk in the room like its no big deal don't wear any of the gowns and gloves and think just because they wash their hands its fine. growl.gif growl.gif When I have an isolation patient I am the biggest germ-o-phob the last thing I want is MRSA on my clothes and then go home to Madison.

PrairieMom replied:
I hear ya! I glove gown and mask for every isolation patient. I don't wnat to be spreading it around!
Last weekend I was standing in a MRSA Patients room in my full isolation outfit, a Dr came in, with no isolation stuff on, sat o the side of the bed, examined the patient (with no gloves) listened to the Patient with his own stethoscope and walked back out again, with out washing his hands. growl.gif

luvmykids replied: Ok, this may be a dumb question but if anti-bac soaps don't do any good, how does regular soap help?

TLCDad replied: Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the reason why MRSA and staph infections are in the headlines now is because the strains have become very resistant. So its not that MRSA has been around a long time its that the latest strains are different and our immune systems are not fighting them off.

MommyToAshley replied:
I was just going to post the exact same question.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
From what I understand it's the friction used with soap and water and washing your hands (back and forth) that washes the germs "away" anti-bacterial soap needed. unsure.gif You dont need soap to "kill" the germs, only soap and water to wash them down the drain. Don't ask me how, that is only how it was explained to me.

Kentuckychick replied:

It's not that anti-bacterial soaps "don't work"... yeah they kill the bacteria but a good thorough handwashing (warm water for approx. 25-30 seconds with any soap and water) gets rid of the germs just as well. Hand sanitizers should NOT be used in place of hand washing, ever. They are great for when you're out and about and cannot get to a sink just to use until you get home to "kill" the germs but wash your hands whenever possible especially before you eat. I always wash my hands before I eat, even in restaurants... I can't stand not to.

I know that for a while they were putting purell dispensers in classrooms but now, if a sink is nearby they are not allowed to and they stress to teachers that they should not be used in place of handwashing.

The idea that they are bad comes from the idea that eventually the germs and bacteria will build up a resistance.

As for MRSA in schools -- I agree it's always there. It's not a great comfort to know that, but I think as well that this is just one of the media's things to latch onto.
I'm of the opinion that classrooms should be washed down with bleach solutions daily anyway (we do!) the children's desks should be washed daily and the floors should be mopped with a disinfecting solution daily as well. I think doing these things would help solve a lot of these "outbreak" problems... not just with dangerous illnesses, but with common illnesses as well. Schools tend to wait until tons of children are out sick to scrub the schools -- too late!

coasterqueen replied:
Yep, this is how it was explained to me as well. Anti-bacterial soaps also kill the good germs our body needs. Just like antibiotics which kills all germs, even the good -- that is why they suggest taking a probiotic when taking an antibiotic because it will give you back the good flora the antibiotics destroys.

Boo&BugsMom replied:
Yep...yogurt contains good probiotics! thumb.gif

punkeemunkee'smom replied: Dee Dee I am sorry you are dealing with such a scary subject! I am with you in your fears! I am very concerned about all the news on this one! Bill came home the other morning asking what I had heard about MRSA. I don't believe when it comes to the health of our children we can be too overprotective. We have delt with the same questions for the past 6 years with Taylor and possible family exposure to HepB...the chances are minimal that she would contract it BUT to us a 3% chance was too much to knowingly take a risk with. I hope they are able to get your schools cleaned up and contain the spread of infection.

I have already begun to look at new places for my Girl Scout troop to meet in the event that we get a confirmed case in the school we meet in! wink.gif I have heard that we have 2 children that have it in our local middle school...I am waiting on a call from the nurse to confirm that...if it is true we will no longer meet there.

Maddie&EthansMom replied:
You are absolutely correct here, Rod. wink.gif

There is a reason to be freaked out. I'm very freaked out. My brother almost died last year from MRSA. He got it while he was working in CT, was hospitalized and we had no idea where he was for days. Finally the hospital called my parents when my brother came out of a coma and was able to give them more information. He was there for weeks. Now whenever he gets a cut he has to be treated immediately. Since he's had it once they take extra precautions with him.

Staph is everywhere, that's very true. It's nothing new, but this strain is difficult to treat and you never know if you are susceptible until you contract it. I know it is more prevalent in locker rooms, gyms and the like. Several schools in our area have asked that the children remove all items from the locker rooms so they can sterilize them. Schools are closed everywhere.

I'm officially freaked with you, Dee Dee. hug.gif

Between this and the fires, I'm just scared.

coasterqueen replied: One other thing to remember about anti-bacterial products is that they do not work against viruses, only bacteria.

Is MRSA bacterial or viral?

luvmykids replied: MRSA is bacterial.

punkeemunkee'smom replied: It is my understanding from a friend of mine, who is a nurse, that it is NOT that antibacterial solutions would not kill MRSA but that the amount of contact time needed to kill it is wayyyyyyyy more than what the gels,foams,creams etc stay on your hands. She told me that it is not enough to just wipe down a surface with diluted bleach solution but that it needs to be left in contact with the surface for at least 10 minutes. blink.gif

jcc64 replied: Fyi- in today's NY Times:

coasterqueen replied: Thanks for that Jeanne. I'm surprised they recommend antibacterial sanitizers when the AMA is saying you should not use them. Or so that's what I gathered reading other articles.

I hope the doctors listen to all of this and STOP giving people antibiotics for every little sniffle/cough.

MommyToAshley replied: That's similar to the other articles I had read that stated the alcohol in the hand sanitizer kills the bacteria, that's why I was confused by the comments that it doesn't work. Since hand sanitizer doesn't add to the bacteria being resistent to antibiotics, I'm not going to give up the hand sanitizer any time soon.

Thanks Jeanne for the article, although I almost wish I hadn't read it. This statistic is pretty scary:
"A virulent strain of bacteria that resists many antibiotics appears to be killing more people annually than AIDS, emphysema or homicide, taking an estimated 19,000 lives in 2005, according to a study published last week in the Journal of the American Medical Association. "

amynicole21 replied: From responses to the article Jeanne just posted - hand sanitizers DO work guys.

coasterqueen replied: Ok, so if you get a hand sanitizer that contains alcohol not triclosan then you do not contribute to the problem of drug resistance and polluting our water, etc. I get it now.

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jcc64 replied: Yeah, Dee Dee, just for a little perspective on that number- 19,000 lives in 1 year alone:
Less than 3000 people died on 9/11.
3836 US troops killed to date in the six years of the Iraq War.
64 cases of avian flu deaths to date.

So, you can see, it's a BIG problem. That's why I'm always ranting about antibiotics abuse/overuse. It's in our power to turn this around before it gets out of control. Don't take antibiotics unless your dr proves to you that what you/your kids have is bacterial. And the only way to prove it is with lab work- period. This includes ear infections, strep, sinus infections, bronchitis, and most common colds.
We've got to re evaluate our relationship to antibiotics- fast.

MommyToAshley replied:
I agree... and I was guilty of taking the anitbiotics prescribed to me not too long ago without questioning my doctor further or insisting on testing. I've since switched docs and am much wiser now. Luckily, Ashley has never taken an antibiotic and her ped is pretty insistent on not over-prescribing meds.

I also know a lot of people that stop taking the antibiotic when they feel better instead of finishing the dose.... I read this is also a big contributor to the bacteria becoming resistent.

coasterqueen replied: The more I read on this subject though, it starts talking more about the causes of things like MRSA and other super bugs isn't just because of over antibiotic use in humans but in animals/our food/our milk, etc. Another reason to go organic. tongue.gif But of course things like triclosan (pcb) which is seaping into our water sources, etc it makes it hard to avoid unless you stop drinking water, using it to brush your teeth etc. I read that triclosan in some toothpastes. ohmy.gif

My2Beauties replied:
My MIL is extremely and I mean extremely good about not finishing antibiotics rolleyes.gif I got so PO'd at her about 2 weeks ago. She said Aubrey started coughing real bad one night, so she went to the fridge, got some of the her youngest son's (Kenny, you all have heard me talk baout him) antibiotics from when he had strep and gave her some...WTF growl.gif growl.gif I was like have no clue what dosage to give her, no clue if what she has is bacterial, no clue whatsoever, I was like plus what good does that do if she doesn't take them for a 10 day timeframe or whatever it takes even if it is bacterial. I'm like let her doctor decide whether or not she needs anything. She is the reason why people stay so sick. He's missed over 5 days of school already this year alone, because she does stuff like this, he just keeps getting sick. sad.gif

grapfruit replied: Our SIL recently went to the ER b/c she passed out while driving (luckly she came to when she hit the curb and nothing else!!!). She had her brother pick her up. Later that day she had garbled speech and a headache that did not go away! ohmy.gif So when she finally made it to the ER they did a CATscan. Decided it wasn't a stroke (which of course is what we were all thinking) and told her he didn't know what it was here's a Rx for Zithromax. huh.gif What the heck is that going to do?!?!? He said she may of had a VIRUS!!! Then why are you Rxing her an ANTIBIOTIC!?!? growl.gif

Her friend was w/her at the ER and questioned him and he got all huffy and basically told her to shut up she didn't know what she was talking about. wacko.gif They never even tested her for anything. He said her throat looked a little red (she had a cold though).

PLUS she's BF right now. Of course she was too out of it at the hospital to tell him that, but shouldn't they ask?? Oh forgot to mention she passed out twice at the hospital and still had garbled speech.

MommyToAshley replied:
I think I would be getting a second opinion... quick.

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