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Speaking of Sarah Palin


cameragirl21 wrote: Looks like her scandals go beyond Alaskan politics and that her domestic bliss is not quite as blissful as she'd have us believe....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/ap_on_..._palin_daughter
And no I'm not smirking, nor do I wish her or her daughter any bad but it's just another example of self righteousness blowing up in one's face.
Whatever you all may think of Hillary, she did manage to keep her daughter out of trouble, and that couldn't have been easy with her dad and his interns and cigars, etc.

MyBlueEyedBabies replied: wow...how shocking a 17 year old that is sexually active.

I wonder if Chelsea's secret service escorts had a hard time keeping the boys away to make sure Hillary looked good?

luvmykids replied: I shouldn't even respond to this, but I'm going to and try my best to not come back to this thread.

Parents of all walks, races, political positions, etc teach things to their kids or have moral stances and what have you that their kids don't abide by. Did you do everything your parents said to do or not to do? Doubt it.

I have certain things I hope my kids will or won't do, no matter what I do though it doesn't guarantee it. Not sure how this is a scandal or has anything to do with her qualifications. This happens, as we all know, in many families and they are doing what every other family does...dealing with it, and moving on.

If by scandal you are referring to the ridiculous rumor that the baby is actually her daughters, it's so laughable that I can't even comment on it.

cameragirl21 replied: No, Monica, I don't think the baby is her daughter's. I'm just having a chuckle at her self righteousness. Bet she's against letting teens have access to birth control too, her beliefs and ideas in action if you ask me....
I don't see why you or anyone else would get mad about this or try not to go back to this thread, this is front page news, not some rumor I dug out of the national enquirer.
I love irony and this is arguably the best kind, no?

MyBlueEyedBabies replied: it has nothing to do with irony it was you saying how much better Hillary is because her daughter didn't end up pregnant. No one wants their child to end up pregnant at 17 but it happens everywhere and no matter how good of a parent you are you can stop your teenager from making dumb choices it is part of growing up.

On the side kudos to Obama for saying he would fire anonw on his staff who tried to bring their kids lives out. I hope he means it!

punkeemunkee'smom replied: I am not really sure I understand the obvious sarcasim in this post...



How is this an example of self righteousness blowing up in her face? Her daughter has chosen to KEEP the baby...sounds to me like when it came down to the n*t cuttin', Sara Palin means what she stands for. What a better way to have to prove a stance than when you have to swallow that bitter pill and handle it in your own life......

Nina J replied:
But its Sarah Palin's daughter, so how does that show she means what she stands for? It should be her daughters choice whether she keeps the baby or not. I wouldn't like to think Sarah Palin forced her to keep the baby because it's what she believs in. I mean, it's her daughters life, so Sarah Palin hasn't really swallowed any bitter pill, her daughter has. And I hope that it represents her daughters views without being forced by anyone. I am sure she hasn't forced her daughter in to anything, I would think her daughter shares similar views.

I'm not having a go or anything, don't take it as such.

Its such a shame the media has to dig up dirt and splash it all over the worlds news. They should leave Palin's family alone.

ZandersMama replied: I really dont get how her getting pregnant has anything to do with her mother........kinda confuses me actually.

punkeemunkee'smom replied:
No, You are right. I should have clarified. I have seen (in 2 cases in my immediate circle) the daughter of a 'Pro-life' family become pregnant and when the situation they were so willing to allow in someone else's life arose in theirs-the parents were not so willing to have their daughter be the 'pregnant teen' and go as far to the left as they were to the right....I meant that with Sarah Palin's daughter becoming pregnant ,the choices to keep the baby were obviously made already, outside of the public eye, how easy it would have been to obtain a quiet abortion and move on with her 'domestic bliss' unsmudged in the press.

Honestly, I couldn't care less if her 17 year old daughter is pregnant-there could I(and I am sure many of us)have also stood. blush.gif The fact that I became sexually active at 17 had nothing to do with my parents and alot to do with my hormones. laugh.gif I also got married at 18 and have (not pregnant) and have never regretted that choice, so I don't believe this is some horrid mistake that Bristol will 'have to live with' or some nonsense like that. Bill's mom was 17 when she had him. I thank God everyday she made the choice to give him life. All I am saying here is that Bristol is a young (almost) adult that made a choice in her life that many of us have made, and Sarah Palin, as a mother, is dealing with a situation in her family that many of us hope we never have to.....why is that such a political scandal?

Danalana replied: This just drives me nuts.
Pretty soon, we will hear about the scandal in which Sarah Palin once threw a spit ball in 3rd grade.....oooooooooh, DON'T VOTE FOR HER! We don't want spit-ball throwers in office. Hillary and Obama stayed far far away from spit balls....one of them is surely deserving of a vote!

P.S. Sorry, I have had little sleep AND no caffeine.

A&A'smommy replied: coming from a teenage mom who got pregnant and married at the age of 17 me having sex had NOTHING to do with my parents.. and if it would have HOW WEIRD!!!

lisar replied: You cant judge someone on the fact that their kid is pregnant. If that is against her beliefs then let me ask you this Jennifer.

Are you married? Are YOU a virgin? If you were married did loose it to your dh then? Cause from what I remember you aren't married, and have no kids. I could be wrong but just questioning the fact that you second guess on someone else. And if you have never been married then technically you should still be a virgin right? Not jumping on you here I just think before someone judges they better make sure their own plate is clean.

luvmykids replied:
OMG ROFL rolling_smile.gif rolling_smile.gif rolling_smile.gif

Cece00 replied:
i think you must not know the definition of irony if you consder this irony

and yeah, how self righteous that her nearly adult daughter is sexually active and not having an abortion and marrying the father @@

that the def of self righteous right there lol

and bill clinton being more worried about getting his jollies off = way bigger deal than a vp nom.'s daughter getting pregnant

even the best parents can not always keep their kids from making mistakes....you dont have kids so im not surprised you have the opinion you do, but yeah....you are WAY off on this...

and ftr im not really a rep or dem, just a person w common sense

msoulz replied: I liked Obama's response that it is a familly matter and has nothing to do with the campaign. thumb.gif

Please do not take this as an endorsement as I am undecided. happy.gif

Calimama replied:
I like that too. I would have liked it the same if Mccain said it, I think it's taking the higher ground no matter whose mouth it came from.

msoulz replied:
Exactly! smile.gif

Crystalina replied:
Now Dana! Didn't you hear her DH got a DUI 20 years ago? emlaugh.gif

Crystalina replied:
Ditto.


But you can totally take mine as an endorsement. biggrin.gif emlaugh.gif

cameragirl21 replied:
LOL, Lisa, I too had a pg scare when I was a teen and my parents didn't know about it and don't know about it to this day. Suffice it to say that there is a reason I reveal very little of my private life here...I am not Virgin Mary by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not judging her, nor do I care that her daughter is pg, I just love the irony of it, that a woman like that, claiming to be all high and mighty suddenly finds herself in the public eye in a situation like this. I get a chuckle when the self righteous get a little of their own medicine, just like when stupid Dr. Laura's naked pics, taken by her married bf back in the day ended up all over the net...couldn't have happened to a more deserving, self righteous...uh, female dog.
In addition to taking pics I'm also a writer and irony is my fave thing of all, I'm just having a an amused smirk here, nothing more. I wish both Sarah and her dd the best of luck, just hope they have it in Alaska and not DC. laugh.gif
Btw, her series of scandals seem to be just beginning, there is a scathing article about her in Haaretz claiming she supported Pat Buchanan, who is described in Haaretz as a nazi sympathizer and hitler fan. I doubt it's true but I had a chuckle over that one too.

Cece00 replied: again, the things you arw calling irony are not irony...please go read up on it

and if you are slamming her/the daughter for this, while having a teen pregnancy scare yourself, well..those who live in glass houses....

TANNER'S MOM replied: I had more than a teen pregnancy scare! I had a the real deal, the whole baby! At 16..a month before I turned 17 to the day. That baby is now going to college on a full ride scholarship and is one of the most talented, special, smartest women I know. It's not always a mistake. It's not the easiest thing to do but it can be done right. It's not all white trash and redneck nascar races w/ babies drinking coke from a bottle..some of us do get it right.

My father couldn't have done anything to stop me from getting pregnant. I was young and didn't think it could happen to me. But what made him a parent was still being proud of me. For coming to my house when I was a 17 year old mother who had a baby that was so colicky we would both cry and taking her and rocking her for hours so I could go to sleep. To see him stand by me at her graduation w/ honours and know that he was just as proud of me as he was of her was the best feeling in the world.

I know Palen is famous, I know she is in the public eye. But I don't judge her b/c her daughter got pregnant at 16. Because I have lived my life being judged for that reason myself.

I think if we had heard she rushed her daughter off for an abortion that would've been the shocking part. But supporting her daughter is what makes her a normal person.

I think being a normal person is what we need in politics. For some reason we think they don't have all the same problems we do. They don't have teens that don't listen, they don't have babies that colick and they don't have bills to pay. I happen to like that something happened in her life that makes her HUMAN. And we get to see how she handles it.

cameragirl21 replied: Mel, when you read my posts, especially political ones, please read between the lines. I don't expect your father to stop you from getting pg and neither can Sarah Palin stop her daughter, it's jus the irony of it that gave me a chuckle, it's textbook situation irony...my favorite kind.
And Mel, I totally respect you for being a good mother and I have nothing against teen moms, some of the best moms I've met were teen moms. But I do think if tables were turned, like if Chelsea were a pg teen, I bet people would be ripping into her parents all over the place.
I just like there to be fairness and respect all around. I notice the people who scream the loudest when people say things like what I said are often the ones to point fingers when the shoe is on the other foot. And that is not directly at you, Mel, it's just a general statement based on my observations.

luvmykids replied:
I thought we already cleared this up, Jennifer. Don't talk about me like I'm not here.

j/k rolling_smile.gif rolling_smile.gif rolling_smile.gif

cameragirl21 replied:
I meant everyone except you, Monica. laugh.gif
j/k, it's not even a reference to people here specifically, just a general statement of all of us pointing fingers when the other side makes mistakes. By the same token, I bet it was liberals who screamed the loudest when the Bush twins got caught drinking, not like liberals didn't inhale in college and possibly beyond too, lol. And that didn't apply to me, btw. cool.gif

TANNER'S MOM replied: Well to be honest I am actually a Dem who just doesn't like this years candidate. You know I am from Arkansas and I was a Clinton supporter. Voted hard for Clinton. My father actually worked on his campaign when he was the governor of our fair state and when he ran for his presidency. Have a nice pic of my Dad shaking his hand and having dinner w/ him at our capital. BUT I think Bill created so much controvisary from himself that he didn't need Chelsea to do it for him. I was a fan of Bill but I still DIDN'T think what he did was right. No I don't think he was the only person who did it in the White House or who used his power and charm..but I don't think it was right. I called that just like I saw it too. I didn't hold back punches just b/c I liked the man.

I don't think I see the irony in it. I guess I just see it as sad. But then again I don't think Chelsea was perfect b/c no one is. I am sure she did her share just didn't get caught like ole dad.. rolling_smile.gif

I think it's sad when we find pleasure or smiles in other people's pain. How many people said that Bill was an excellent president, that what happened in his bedroom be it, Jennifer, Paula or Monica was his own business. It didn't affect the way he ran our country. Well do we not think the same for Palen? Does she not deserve to have a political life and a family life w/ out it being ironic?

cameragirl21 replied: Well, the difference is that Bill didn't claim to be a holy saint, we knew what he was when we picked him up. Palin on the other hand claims to be all about holier than thou morals, etc.
And idk if I'd call this pain. Seems like in some cultures people marry young and have kids young as a matter of intention. From what I read, these 2 were already engaged and they don't seem upet at all. Maybe it's good news for her and not pain at all.

TANNER'S MOM replied:
Bill.. Bill that said over and over I did NOT have sex w/ that woman.. didn't claim to be a saint? No he didn't claim to be a saint. But he did swear to tell the truth in a system that he swore in front of ALL of America to uphold to the best of his ability. No he was fair from a Saint. But that's neither her or there.

I don't guess I have yet to read her claiming to have never done any wrong.. I guess I have yet to read on the web about her Sainthood either. Humm.

But I guess here I am reminded of Jesus and the prostitute. The story where he saves her from death by saying "Ye without sin cast the first stone".

punkeemunkee'smom replied:

That is NOT the defintion of irony....IF Bristol had been taken to the abortion clinic by her mother to rid the family of this teen pregnancy THAT would have been ironic......

Danalana replied: huh.gif I didn't get how Sarah Palin is "holier than thou". But, as I'm understanding it, it's because she has morals? Well, we can't have that! No morals in the White House, of all places...
It's not irony that she is a moral person and she has a teenaged, unwed pregnant daughter. I don't get how that's irony at all. Even people who don't have the dreaded morals try to keep their children from making choices they don't feel would be good for them to make....this happens to people from every walk of life. Aaaaaah! If you want to criticize, that's fine. But pick something better than the fact that she has morals. This whole irony thing just doesn't make sense.

gr33n3y3z replied:
Why is that so shocking??

Crystalina replied:
I think that was meant as sarcasm. happy.gif

cameragirl21 replied: I think this article does a pretty good job of explaining where the irony lies.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/9/2/...oesnt-work.html
If you still don't see it after reading this then I'm afraid I can't help you so let's just move on to another topic, ok?

lisar replied:
I didnt read the article I just wanted to say that everything you read on the internet is not always true. Especially if its coming from a news station. They love to twist things all around.

Danalana replied: I get that Palin is for abstinence education and that her teenage daughter is pregnant. Call it irony if you want to. Do you really think teenagers, in this day and time, don't know about birth control? And who's to say that she wouldn't be pregnant if her mother was an advocate of "do it all you want, but use protection"? What would we say then? Those who oppose her would still find a way to step all over her.

Crystalina replied:
I agree D. It amazes me how people (I know IRL) say they've never heard of her until she was announced but they can't stand her. huh.gif She hasn't had enough time for people not to like her. emlaugh.gif People should talk about her political views and not so much her personal life. The media is to blame for that. Since the minute she was announced they've talked about the activities she's done in the past and now and her family issues. I was on here not long ago "arguing" (for lack of a better word) that Hillary should not be condemned d/t her husband messing around on her. Many people on here said they would not vote for her because of that. It got ugly if I remember correctly about whether she was a strong woman for dealing with the issue or weak for "letting" it go. Just as then, I will say now that what happens behind closed doors (or under desks in the oval office for that matter emlaugh.gif ) are not our business. As long as they can run the country.

I'm not pointing fingers because I really can't remember who said what and it doesn't matter but some of "you" who are defending her personal life were very "not so supporting" to Hillary and her issue. To me SP's daughter being pg is no more her fault then Bill cheating on Hillary. And if SP's DH were to cheat on her I'm sure none of you SP supporters would think that would hinder her doing her job. And it wouldn't. wink.gif

Crystalina replied: Oopsy. Double post. blush.gif

My2Beauties replied:
I'm sorry! Ok you say that even the best parents can't always keep their kids from making mistakes. True...very true. It's also true that even the best wives who think they have the best relationships cannot keep their husbands from cheating all the time. You said you wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was weak-minded for taking Bill back, something that had nothing to do with the presidency in another post a while back .I find it odd you're coming to Sarah Palin's rescue but condemning Hillary for something completely out of her control (bill cheating) and being a forgiving person. Hmmm.....

Please don't take this as a direct slap towards you I just find it hard to believe you're not judging Sarah for this, if you break it down, two different things happened to two women that were out of their control, they both decided to forgive and do the right thing (or wrong thing in other's eyes maybe) and move on with their lives. You came to the rescue of one and bashed the other? huh.gif

cameragirl21 replied:
ITA, Crystal and that's a very good point. I really don't care that her daughter is pg, that's not such a big deal. However, I will say that if I were a very outspoken vegetarian, and yes, I've been fairly outspoken here but IRL my friends eat meat in front of me all the time and I don't mind a bit, to each his own. But if I were publicly speaking out against eating animals and was in a public position to do so and then raised a child who grew up to hunt and eat 10 steaks a day, I'd expect people to have a chuckle over the irony of it at my expense too. When you have strong convictions, sometimes you get a little boomerang effect, whether you're way to the left or way to the right or somewhere in the middle. happy.gif
Doesn't mean it would be my fault if I raised a kid like that, necessarily, but I wouldn't expect the irony of it to be lost on people.

Danalana replied: *Warning, Warning*
This thread will self-destruct in 58 seconds.

But before it does, I agree with you Crystal. I didn't see the debates about Hillary but, while I am not a fan, I wouldn't condemn her based on the actions of her husband. I'm not defending Sarah Palin because she is republican. I'm defending her because it's ridiculous, all the mud-slinging. I don't talk about other politicians' families, so I don't think it would make sense to start here. Have I ever mentioned that I despise politics?

My2Beauties replied:
I want to add that while I'm not a McCain/Palin supporter I could care less about whether her teenage daughter is pg and it has absolutely no effect on who I would vote for and I agree the children should stay out of the campaign, families should be off limits. Just wanted to state my position on that.

Danalana replied: And that's why you are NOW my official running mate, should I be nominated!!

Bamamom replied:



Very well said ladies. thumb.gif

redchief replied: Hmmm... Since we're a parenting forum, shouldn't we be inviting young Miss Palin to share in our experiences here instead of crucifying her for an oft-made teen error? Regardless of your political bent, it seems to me that our main concern would be that she raises her child well despite the cards stacked against her (admittedly not nearly as heavily stacked as those against young mothers without the support system the Palin family will undoubtedly have in place).

IMHO, we should encourage new parents to join us here, not lambaste their mistakes and wag fingers. Who do we think we are?

Crystalina replied:
clapsmiley.gif

Maybe some of us are the ones wearing the "holier than thou" hat? groovy.gif

Danalana replied: Oooooooooh....
*double hi-5*

cameragirl21 replied: I agree completely, Ed, we should not judge anyone. Not the daughter of a repub VP, nor a democratic has been whose conversation was taped, partially and quite possibly taken out of context on an airplane and taped without his consent or his knowledge. We should not assume or judge, given we don't know the circumstances, nor did we hear the conversation in its entirety that we know his intentions, especially given that taping someone without their consent is against the law.
Quid pro quo, no? Remember, I'm a big fan of equality, especially that of the goose and the gander.

Crystalina replied: I have to say that I think she gave an AWESOME speech last night. thumb.gif Even being a Dem. I have to say she kicked booty.



Although I think if she wants the media to lay off her baby she should not use him for votes. Tisk, Tisk.

Boys r us replied: I must have missed something b/c I don't see where anyone was crucifying any one else for pregnancy or anything...good conversation is all I've gotten out of this thread.

Anyhow, I'm having issues with Palin for the fact that she has a 4mnth old with Down Syndrome(obviously this baby needs his mother) and she's running for VP..which in all likelihood could result in being president...forgive me for saying, but McCain is 74 yrs old and a cancer survivor..the odds aren't in his corner..just saying! While I'm just saying thought, I'll just say this, Obama is a Rufus the Dufus in my book..so maybe I'll just go out for Margaritas on election day and dismantle any thoughts of voting!

punkeemunkee'smom replied:
rolling_smile.gif I missed you! rolling_smile.gif

My2Beauties replied:
rolling_smile.gif I love the way you put things Nichole! LOL!

moped replied:
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