Need help from some conservatives here
cameragirl21 wrote: Ok, this is really not all that complicated but in order to ensure that my intentions are not misunderstood by anyone, this may get wordy and I apologize in advance if that is the case. Ok, so here is the deal--I have a good friend in Chicago who is a registered democrat but who reviles Obama...I voted for Obama and every time he makes a decision that she considers stupid, which is pretty much everytime he opens his mouth, she blames me for whatever he does/says since I voted for him as if I appointed him all on my own. I did vote for Obama but I absolutely do not agree with his middle east policies so far, that does not mean everything he does is my fault just because I voted for him. My friend and I are both diehard supporters of Israel but for the most part, we support typical, domestic liberal issues, mainly social issues that affect everyone. My friend particularly takes issue with Obama's stance on Israel and tbh, I can't say I disagree. That said, I got really tired of hearing her say, "and you subjected us to this" or something to that effect so I suggested we start a blog together that encourages left wingers to support Israel. Traditionally, supporters of Israel in the US are right leaning, card carrying Republicans. However, Israel's social issues and other things are likely to be a strong point of interest to liberals if liberals were aware of them, as opposed to just seeing Israel as a strong country who seems to be bullying weaker neighbors, which I believe, is the image the media portrays. That said, we are in the process of setting up a blog that as I said, is meant to appeal to liberals and why they should support Israel. I don't intend to waste everyone's time getting into here but for example, Israel is way ahead of us and most of the world when it comes to the environment and their animal rights groups actually monitor the safety and well being of animals in farms and such in Israel and actually get good things done instead of just p*ssing people off as PETA tends to do here in the US. Our blog will focus on the environment and animal rights because those are our main points of interest, however, our "about us" section will briefly but succinctly touch on other issues of interest to liberals, some of which are potentially points of contention with conservatives, such as gay rights, abortion, stem cell research, etc. We will simply state the facts and say that our blog's focus is our point of interest but if anyone has an interest in these other topics and wants to guest write on our blog about them, they are welcome to contact us and do so. Here is where I need some help--I want to be able to present this in such a way that will appeal to liberals BUT that will NOT antagonize Israel's right leaning supporters. That said, we are still setting up but should be up and running by next week or so and I'm wondering if anyone here who votes on the right but also supports Israel would be willing to look over our "about us" section and let me know if you find it non offensive, even if you do not agree with it, if that makes sense. In other words, I get that some of you who may otherwise support Israel for various reasons will not agree with their stances on some of these things but I want to know if I presented them in a way that's honest but not offensive or antagonistic toward Israel's traditional support base. Just so there's no misunderstanding--I am absolutely NOT trying to turn conservatives into liberals, that is not the point of this blog at all. I am simply trying to give liberals another view of Israel. I realize, btw, that not all right wingers support Israel, that said, I'm just going to say that those who do generally do due to either biblical scripture and/or due to their support on our war on terror, of which Israel is definitely a part. I am also not trying to get anyone here to support Israel...if you don't, you don't, that's your right and your business...that is why I am asking for anyone here who already supports Israel and votes on the right for help. Also, just so there's no confusion, I realize that not everyone who believes in biblical scripture supports Israel so my post should not be viewed as an assumption that if you believe in biblical scripture you are automatically a supporter of Israel or that if you don't support Israel then you must not believe in biblical scripture, that is NOT what I'm saying at all. Ok, I hope there is no confusion on what I'm asking for so let me just reiterate--if you are a right wing voter who also supports Israel for whatever your reasons and are willing to help me by reading our "about us" section and perhaps looking over our blog to let me know if it offends you or would likely antagonize other right wing supporters of Israel and are aware that some of what it says will not coincide with your own opinions of things, please let me know, I will certainly appreciate it. Also, if you are left leaning and would be willing to take a peek and let me know if it would pique your interest, please let me know also. This is not intended to get anyone here to be a regular reader, just asking for help in set up. Thanks in advance and sorry this got long. If there is still any misunderstanding, please feel free to ask for clarification on anything here. Oh, one more thing--our blog will be called Garden State and for those of you who are from NJ, you may be interested to know that I actually called the governor of NJ (his office, didn't speak to him personally) to ask if there is any reason we can't use that name, like if it's trademarked to NJ and it's not. Israelis are known for their abundant gardens so we decided to use that name. If you don't like it, you can say so but the domain is already saved so the name won't change.
luvmykids replied: I'll look at it for you, pm me or let me know where to find it.
cameragirl21 replied: Thanks so much, Monica, I'll pm you a link as soon as it's up and running.
coasterqueen replied: Put me on your list.
cameragirl21 replied: Thanks, Karen, will pm you a link, probably next week.
Danalana replied: You can add me too. And also... How could you subject us to Obama's policies in the Middle East??? It was all you!
cameragirl21 replied: LOL, Dana, you've no idea how many times I've heard that since January 20 or so.... Thanks, I'll pm you a link when it's up and running.
MommyToAshley replied: I'm not sure why you would want to limit yourself to such a narrow demographic. Why not just drum up as much support as you can for Israel, regardless of political party?
I am more disappointed (more like outraged) that we are not taking a stronger stance in Iran right now.
cameragirl21 replied: well, here is the thing--support for Israel is pretty strong in the Rep party and my friend and I do want to make the blog interesting for everyone. The issue as we see it is that as I said in the OP, conservatives generally side with Israel for one or both of two reasons--biblical scripture and/or the war on terror, conservatives tend to prefer a position of strength, whereas liberals tend to side with the underdog and due to the perception we've been fed by the media, the Arabs are the weaker side, being bullied by a strong Israel. In reality, though, this is not the case at all. The reason for our blog is to show liberals that the side they're supporting, Israel's enemies, have values that are completely antithetical to liberal values. For example, when Israel left Gaza in 2005, they left behind greenhouses that were the crux of the economy in Gaza, hoping Palestinians could use them to make money. Instead, they tore them apart and destroyed them, stealing piping, glass and whatever they could for themselves instead of coming together as a community to grow produce and flowers, both of which were readily available when Israelis lived in Gaza. Furthermore, the beach in Gaza is now so polluted due to Palestinians dumping sewage and garbage there that you can't even walk on the beach let alone swim in the water. They also hang gay people just for being gay. They punish women who were raped by killing them to preserve family honor, they rig up animals to be suicide bombers, and the list goes on. On the other hand, environmental ideas that are just being considered here are implemented in Israel--for instance, every Israeli home has a solar panel, it's the norm and an expectation. Israel is the only nation on Earth than ended last century with more trees than it started it with. And so on. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I do want the blog to be interesting for everyone, regardless of political party but I think the problem we're having is that the left often gets things wrong when it comes to middle east policy and my friend and I firmly believe it's largely because of the information, and lack thereof that we're getting. So we're trying to change that and our blog is not going to be our opinions, we are actually going to be posting factual information about these issues in Israel. As I said, while our main points of interest are the environment and issues that involve the well being of animals, we do want to make a brief but succint list of a bunch of issues that liberals tend to hold dear and we want to do so in such a way as not to offend or antagonize Israel's traditional support base. Everyone, whatever your political and/or religious beliefs is welcome and wanted on our blog, though. And ITA with you about Iran.
msoulz replied: Me too!!
cameragirl21 replied: Thanks, Mary, will pm you a link probably sometime next week!
jcc64 replied:
Why is that our business? How can we even be sure we actually know the real facts about what is going on? And finally, I wonder, when we had our own election inproprieties (a big fat euphemism for what I think really happened) during the 2000 election, would you have warmly welcomed outside meddling from other countries looking to insert their own selfish interests into our national crisis? Some of our younger members may not recall the Iranian revolution that brought us the 1980 hostage crisis, but that was a direct result of our meddling in Iranian affairs by propping up a grossly unpopular leader (the Shah, who ultimatley sought political asylum here). They don't, as George W. would have us believe, "hate us for our freedom"; they hate us because we're constantly trying to run our own agenda on their backs. I don't want outside interference in our own internal affairs, and I think other countries deserve the same respect.
cameragirl21 replied: I suspect the reason all the placards and signs were in English was because Iranians knew that they'd get zero support or sympathy at home and were turning to the outside world, in this case us and most of the English speaking West, for help. I have to say, I know what it's like to live in a dictatorship where saying the wrong thing will get you and your whole family killed. If the people want something else, they often feel they need help from the outside. If this got no attention from us, they'd all have been killed, I can promise you that.
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